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Thanks.


The order is still pending and I have not received a confirmation for the order by email or otherwise. Is this because the order is still pending? (I know that you guys have a huge list of stock that has to go out because of this month's sale)

However, if my order is still pending past October 31st, will I still receive my order at the price I paid (since it was placed during this sale) and get it all when stock becomes available, or will the pending status mess with everything?


So, I checked a bunch of things, checked my even went out to an ATM to confirm my Debit Card works, and it did. Eventually I hunted down an old bank statement and it turns out that it had a slightly different address. I asked a friend and they said that the second set of numbers is my Post Office Box (I had never seen the mailing code done that way before).

Anyway, I kept trying to enter that into the Address Selection, but it kept changing it to "USPS Standards". Long story short, it turns out that I needed to put my Post Office Box as my "MAIN" mailing address and my home address as a secondary (I was trying to get it delivered to my home, but walking a few minutes down my street is a small price to pay).

Thanks for your help, as far as I know, the payment went through fine. I am still waiting on the confirmation email, but everything seems to be working just fine.

Thanks for the quick and thorough reply, if you hadn't I NEVER would have guessed it was my address that was wrong. I have been having trouble with this card ever since they issued it to me (with other sites as well), so now that I know the problem, I can finally shop online again. So you actually solved two problems at once for me, thanks again!

I'll let you know if something else goes wrong. Take care until then.


Since the sale started this month, I have been trying to purchase a number of things, but my Debit Card keeps getting rejected. At first it was because I did not have "sufficient funds" in my Bank Account, but I corrected that by depositing more money into my Bank Account, and it has still been getting rejected, a few times now.

My order gets rejected, but the money will still go through to my Bank Account, where it ends up Pending for about a week, and then is removed from my Bank Account. I cannot seem to place my order, no matter what I do. I went to my Bank today to see if there was something wrong with my Debit Card, but they told me it was fine, and to contact your company.

Why is my Debit Card not accepted? Is there another way for me to make this purchase, because as far as I can tell, you don't accept other payment methods like Paypal, although I would prefer just to use my Debit Card and be done with it, so please explain why you have not accepted it ALL month long?

Please respond to this quickly, because I really want to place this order in my Shopping Cart, and since the October sale ends this Friday or so, I need this resolved as swiftly as possible so that I can have my order go through.


Okay, I kind of get it now, will be hard to explain that to my Players and other DM's for our circle though /headache, haha.

Zenogu wrote:
Catching wind of this thread almost makes me want to drop Wealth By Level and just do what feels right. Like my group did with XP.

Personally, for years I ignored all of that stuff and just did my own thing. What I like to do is have a Chapter system, where some form of a plot happens during the Chapter and the Player's can generally expect 1 Level during this period (~110% needed for the next Level, to be exact). However, having played d20 Modern's setup, which is very similar to Pathfinder's, it kind of conditioned me for WBL and what not, I really love Pathfinder because of that.

So these days, generally speaking, I use the WBL as a guideline, but never really go exact with it. Actually, I tend to go a bit above it, because after all, most of the junk you throw at them will be one time uses, and at the end of the day everything usually sells for half price. My only problem with giving them a standard +2 weapon is that BLAM, they suddenly have 4000 gold dropped in their lap. I'm fine with that at around ~Level 7+, but not really before.

Didn't expect this thread to become so popular, guess I am the only one who doesn't miss those old numbers :P


kestral287 wrote:
The +1/4th is because the Bane-like effect is only adding +1 (because you're already at +1 and it's a net +2 effect vs. Demons). So, it's a quarter of the effectiveness of full Bane.

That's what I don't get. Since when does 1 + 2 = 1/4? Shouldn't be half, because Bane as a whole is those four abilities? Sorry, you have to walk me through this one :/


Aelryinth wrote:

+1, +2 against demons grants 1/4 the bonuses a Bane does. So, with half pricing because it's Demons and not Evil outsiders, that would be 1/8 the price.

So a sword +1, +2 against Demons would be 3,000 gp (2k + 1/8th the cost of a Bane being added of 8k).

Was climbing into bed, and realized that did not make sense. I realize that Demons is half of Evil Outsiders, so that's +1/2 Enhancement, and your removing the +2d6, effectively halving it again for +1/4 Enhancement, but you cannot get +1/8, because you already applied the Demon specific category once. It would be weird to apply it twice, unless there is something I am missing?


OOOOOOOOOOOH. I get it. Also, I had thought the +2/+2 was that, because of your ending comments, but wasn't sure, because I was just generally confused.

I have literally been staring at your post this entire time, thinking that there is something wrong with my brain. What I did not understand is that you broke down Bane INTO a +4 bonus, because of its +2, and that the +2d6 damage bonus is basically +d6 broad damage applied twice. Sorry, it was a bit hard to read flat out, especially considering its a work week.

And yeah, you were right, I was originally talking about magical equipment, but my concept for this process (for this specific item) had changed throughout the thread.

I REALLY like that idea though, I will have to poke at it over the weekend when I am more awake, and pass it along to a friend to see how he feels. That's a pretty neat idea. I really loved the older editions descriptions of weapons, so getting pretty excited.

Saving all of this to text file for future reference, going to give it some serious thought. Thanks for the help! You just changed my outlook of weaponry quite a bit.


Aelryinth wrote:

Use Bane as your calculator.

It's a +1 Enhancement, giving you +2/+2, +2d6 against a specific class of foes.

You absolutely lost me there; what does the +2/+2 mean? I see what your saying, but its hard to follow the mathematics when I don't understand the shorthand :P. Also, I thought Demons were a subtype of Outsider?

I was thinking the material would be nice, because if the Players like it enough, they could also enchant it later, and make it like a personal signature weapon that only they have, because the material is so rare. Plus, if I decide to do something with Demons or Fiends in general later, I can mention how the material is often taken by Celestials into the Abyss to battle them, or something.

I was thinking something like Elysian Steel, but without the attack bonus after hitting the creature, just: +2 Damage against Demons, About +500 Weapon Cost. Or maybe just make it the same as Elysian Steel and be done with it, haha.

I am really interested in what Aelryinth came up with though.


Bane might be overdoing it a bit much. I would ignore prices, but I have been doing this long enough that ignoring minor details could come back to haunt me, lol. Although, I suppose I could just have no merchant buy it, because its a sacred sword in the first place? Money problem solved, heh.

What about just giving the weapon +2 Vs. Whatever some other way? Maybe I'll make up some kind of a special material, which happens to deal slightly more damage against Demons, like with Elysian Bronze does with magical beasts and monstrous humanoids, but much more specific, like for Demons and not other Outsiders (trying to design it for a Half-Succubus/Drow related side quest, although the blade was never intended to kill the creature, just be there as apart of consistency).

I had not considered just changing the material type until this thread. That could work, and would give me a chance to add some more stuff to my world for later campaigns. I'll probably do that, but further feedback would be great.


I had this huge like five paragraph explanation of why I needed it, but for some reason it logged me out after I hit Preview and I lost it all...

Anyway... I want to create a weapon like in older versions of Dungeons & Dragons (Basic/Advanced, 2nd Edition), but as far as I know, there is not way to do this in 3.5 Edition and Pathfinder. Specifically, weapons that get better against certain creatures, in this case, a "Longsword +1, +2 Vs. Demons".

If possible, a way to make it from a Masterwork weapon, one that suddenly becomes better when used against that monster type, because my Players are currently Level 2 (expecting them to be Level 3 when they get this item), but I just don't want to hand them a Longsword +2 that's worth 8000 gold for no reason (always hated the pricing of magical equipment in 3.5 Edition, it ALWAYS leaps upwards way too quickly).

I was thinking like, the masterwork weapon price, and then half whatever temporary bonus that it gets? Like, a "Masterwork Longsword, +2 Vs. Demons" would be like 4315 gold, or something like that.

Anyway to do this, and on a DM treasure budget? Thanks for any feedback :D