Organized Play Initiative: Digitization

Thursday, September 17, 2020

Starfinder Data Jockey, artist Alexander Nanitchkov

Starfinder Data Jockey by Alexander Nanitchkov

Several years ago, as part of the program assessment made at the time of the Pathfinder (second edition) Playtest, the team embarked on a huge initiative spanning several years: digitization. This year, with Covid-19 pushing us into our homes and away from our traditional spaces, we are both pleased to have started the process and dismayed that our timelines aren’t aggressive enough. But we’ve gotten through Phase 1 and we thought it would be a good time to talk over some of the items we’ve completed, as well as what Phase 2 looks like.

We are also making a huge plea to our GMs to report games and asking players to encourage their GMs to do so as well. Reported games give us our program data - how many people participated, what types of games did they play (scenarios/quests/bounties/Adventure Paths), where do they play (conventions, home games, FLGS). All of this data is necessary to plan for the program. We can’t argue we need to make more scenarios, for example, without the data that X number of people play scenarios. We’ve incentived the reporting through AcP, but we need the community to help us help them!


So where are we at with each program and where are we going?

Pathfinder Society (first edition): Its foundations lay in paper Chronicles, reporting sheets, character sheets, and boons. The emphasis on physical documentation made sense, as smartphones weren’t commonplace and computers expensive (and often not-portable). But as technology progressed, we stayed with paper, as that was what had been done. Twelve years on, we aren’t looking to change how we process Pathfinder Society (first edition) data. There is no benefit in trying to upload thousands of chronicles and boons. But we don’t want to limit those players that want to use digital tools. So we will maintain the hybrid state of the campaign, where you can either use digital or paper options and paper records (or digitized versions) remain the standard.

Pathfinder Adventure Card Society: As with Pathfinder Society (first edition) we have years of paper records for PACS. While the game is continuing in digital spaces during Covid, it is meant to be played in a physical environment. At this point, we don’t think bringing the records online is a necessity. If players wish to scan their Chronicles and boons to have a digital version, they are welcome to do so, but the program will continue within the hybrid environment. We will publish a Guide 7.0 via pdf that is in line behind the Pathfinder Society guide and should be sorted out in early October. At this time, there are no major program changes, so the guide will be a compilation of blogs.

Starfinder Society: This program started under the Pathfinder Society (first edition) format but is now existing alongside Pathfinder Society (second edition) and we want to shift them to be inline under organized play processes. This adjustment will happen by the launch of Year 4 and will do so in several chunks. We just issued Guide version 3.0 as a pdf, but Guide 4.0 is intended to be digital. We are phasing out boons and boon-slotting will end as of Year 4. Chronicle boons are moving online, as are Game Rewards, which take the place of Faction boons or other benefits that unlock once criteria are achieved. We will also be building an Achievement Points - SFS category that functions like the PFS version but draws on points earned for playing or GMing Starfinder games. We are not getting rid of Chronicles, but we will open up other methods of digital tracking. As we now have the bandwidth to correct reporting errors, including fixing factions, restoring deleted characters, adding missing AcP and refunding erroneous boons, we are confident we can keep our digital records clean.

Pathfinder Society (second edition): We’ve already implemented many of the items that Starfinder Society will embrace this year. Now that we have, we can remove some of the paper tracking that exists. The guide is online and had a facelift. Playing and GMing earns AcP-PFS and rewards for purchase appear on the Boons tab of your My Organized Play account. Chronicle Rewards are in and will go live next week. We’re converting the Faction Boons part of the guide to Game Rewards, which will be operational sometime in October. When it is ready to go live, we will let everyone know via blog and also how to convert boons purchased by Fame. We’ve simplified the Chronicle and the new version will appear in October scenarios. We plan to go back and put the simplified version into Year 2 by the end of 2020 as well as update all Year 1, though that is a larger project that will take longer due to resource need. The guide changes include language on how to track character progress. Chronicles will be one way, but a player may choose to track items via spreadsheet or other tool and keep that as their proof of play alongside their character sheet, making Chronicle sheets backups and relevant only to correct errors in the database. We’ve removed personally identifying information from the Chronicles as well (no more player name or GM signature) to help with player security and to make online completion easier.

So what is Phase 2?
  • Finishing streamlining Pathfinder Society (second edition) to make it easier to join and less cumbersome to track.
  • Bringing Starfinder Society in line with Pathfinder Society (second edition)
  • Overhauling reporting instructions/processes on paizo.com
  • Encouraging use of community developed tools for tracking and character management
  • Providing Organized Play Foundation volunteers with the tools/information they need to rebuild their site and generate community best practices documents.
What does this mean for the Pathfinder Society (second edition) Guide?

It will be available next Wednesday, September 23rd, after we wrap PAX Online/TPKon. This puts the release in the middle of the week instead of on top of major conventions. The guide underwent a major structural facelift in preparation for Year 2. While moving things around, we cut out duplicate text, revised the organization to make it read smoother, moved reference points/examples/longer descriptions to appendices, reformatted references to reflect publishing styles, and hyperlinked all of it. Once we know we don’t need to make further substantial changes, we will also manually compile a set of PDFs to go with it. While we will be able to update the digital guide, due to the amount of work involved, the PDF will not be updated throughout the year.

In addition, we are migrating the Guide from static pages to a Wiki-format to make finding items even easier. If everything goes well, we hope to have this ready for version 3.0 next GenCon. After a small period of testing and configuration, we should then be able to turn on the automated print to PDF feature, allowing the PDF of the Guide to be updated every time there is a significant change.

What are the major program changes appearing in the Pathfinder Society (second edition) Guide v2.0?
  • Tiers/subtiers are now levels/level ranges
  • Faction reputation system like in the Gamemastery Guide
  • Removal of boon slotting from the beginning of play. Some boons (advanced, minion, promotional) have limits.
  • How to use AcP to purchase Boons.
  • Pathfinder training is now simplified and has a chart for benefits.
  • Call out to slow track milestone leveling with less zeroes that does not reset.
  • Removal of Fame.
  • Characters gain Reputation with an individual faction and Total Reputation over all factions.
  • GMs have a Challenge Point reference section
  • Treasure Bundle Table
  • Expanded Downtime instructions and tables for easy reference

Fame is going away. As a GM, should I give out Fame on Pathfinder Society (second edition) Chronicles?
Short answer: No, GMs should not be adding Fame to any Chronicles earned.

Longer answer:

From Year 2 launch forward, Pathfinder Society adventure (or sanctioned adventure) do not award Fame. With AcP as a purchasing currency, we don’t believe the added complexity of tracking Fame necessary. We are working on how to convert already purchased Fame items into the digital environment as well as making sure we have AcP or Faction benefits that cover items that used to be available to purchase with Fame, such as Restorations or Infamy removal. We will have more information on how to convert Fame in an October blog.

Wow, that was quite a bit of information. As always, we are working towards delivering a quality organized play program and value input from our community. We do ask for any feedback to be constructive and that it be posted in forums or emailed so that we can see and respond

Until next week, when we preview our September Society scenarios (say that five times fast)
- Explore, Report, Cooperate!

Tonya Woldridge
Organized Play Manager

Alex Speidel
Organized Play Associate

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Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/55/55/5 ****

I hope with the move to online that reporting has gotten better for you.

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/5 ***

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To each their own, but I’d rather not play than tolerate bad behavior. Life is too short. If my local GM pool was that bad, I would just move to online play and source my GMs from a better pool. YMMV

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Robert Hetherington wrote:
A surprisingly large number of hotel ballrooms that conventions take place in are dead signal zones.

About 90% of Cons I have been to are dead signal zones inside the building, and the ones I do get a signal it is soo weak it might as well not be one. Or if the Con is big enough the Cell is so overwhelmed with Data use that it is practically useless.

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They really need to add more detail to the description of the Boons you can buy before you spend your achievement points. I know some were covered in a blog but not all. For example:

I just purchased the World Traveler boon (I wanted my character to be from Lands of Linnorm Kings and Tian having recently reread the Jade Regent AP) but after you purchase the boon and download the sheet, Tian isn't listed as one of the options. Nor are any of the areas outside those covered in the Lost Omens World Guide.

I appreciate that there is currently no mechanical benefit from coming from Tian (You can learn Tien if you're from the Saga Lands and there are currently no Tian options that can be unlocked with the exception of Dragon Spit if your from Tian-Dan) but I was wanting to future proof the character.

I assume I can get around this by making Tian my Home nation and give myself access to Saga Lands through World Traveler?

Alternatively, I suppose the other option is that despite purchasing it, not apply the boon until such time as World Traveler includes Tian. There is nothing the character has that is unavailable outside having the Lands of Linnorm Kings as their home nation. Although that said, it is distinctly possible there may end up being an entirely different boon for the wider world to keep characters from those areas less numerous.

Scarab Sages 4/5

That kinda supports one of my fears based on the language in the new guide. That it’s not currently legal to select a home region that isn’t in one of the ten listed in the core rulebook. I’ve asked that question elsewhere on the forums as well. Let’s hope for an answer soon.

Scarab Sages 3/5

Helvellyn wrote:

They really need to add more detail to the description of the Boons you can buy before you spend your achievement points. I know some were covered in a blog but not all. For example:

I just purchased the World Traveler boon (I wanted my character to be from Lands of Linnorm Kings and Tian having recently reread the Jade Regent AP) but after you purchase the boon and download the sheet, Tian isn't listed as one of the options. Nor are any of the areas outside those covered in the Lost Omens World Guide.

I appreciate that there is currently no mechanical benefit from coming from Tian (You can learn Tien if you're from the Saga Lands and there are currently no Tian options that can be unlocked with the exception of Dragon Spit if your from Tian-Dan) but I was wanting to future proof the character.

I assume I can get around this by making Tian my Home nation and give myself access to Saga Lands through World Traveler?

Alternatively, I suppose the other option is that despite purchasing it, not apply the boon until such time as World Traveler includes Tian. There is nothing the character has that is unavailable outside having the Lands of Linnorm Kings as their home nation. Although that said, it is distinctly possible there may end up being an entirely different boon for the wider world to keep characters from those areas less numerous.

Without a proper description I can't imagine many of these being used. I won't go blog spelunking for information that should be in the boon description to start with.

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Steven Lau wrote:
Robert Hetherington wrote:
A surprisingly large number of hotel ballrooms that conventions take place in are dead signal zones.
About 90% of Cons I have been to are dead signal zones inside the building, and the ones I do get a signal it is soo weak it might as well not be one. Or if the Con is big enough the Cell is so overwhelmed with Data use that it is practically useless.

Then call them out and tell them that is a no go in 2020 and the years to come.

Digitization isn't some weird next century science mumbo jumbo and it needs wifi or other signals.

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Benjamin Falk wrote:
Steven Lau wrote:
Robert Hetherington wrote:
A surprisingly large number of hotel ballrooms that conventions take place in are dead signal zones.
About 90% of Cons I have been to are dead signal zones inside the building, and the ones I do get a signal it is soo weak it might as well not be one. Or if the Con is big enough the Cell is so overwhelmed with Data use that it is practically useless.

Then call them out and tell them that is a no go in 2020 and the years to come.

Digitization isn't some weird next century science mumbo jumbo and it needs wifi or other signals.

Why? There's no inherent need for connectivity to sit around a table and roll dice with friends.

Silver Crusade

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This thread begs to differ.

Not everyone drags all their physical books around with them.

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Benjamin Falk wrote:
Steven Lau wrote:
Robert Hetherington wrote:
A surprisingly large number of hotel ballrooms that conventions take place in are dead signal zones.
About 90% of Cons I have been to are dead signal zones inside the building, and the ones I do get a signal it is soo weak it might as well not be one. Or if the Con is big enough the Cell is so overwhelmed with Data use that it is practically useless.

Then call them out and tell them that is a no go in 2020 and the years to come.

Digitization isn't some weird next century science mumbo jumbo and it needs wifi or other signals.

Yup let me just call AT&T out, I am sure they will listen to me...

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Benjamin Falk wrote:
Steven Lau wrote:
Robert Hetherington wrote:
A surprisingly large number of hotel ballrooms that conventions take place in are dead signal zones.
About 90% of Cons I have been to are dead signal zones inside the building, and the ones I do get a signal it is soo weak it might as well not be one. Or if the Con is big enough the Cell is so overwhelmed with Data use that it is practically useless.

Then call them out and tell them that is a no go in 2020 and the years to come.

Digitization isn't some weird next century science mumbo jumbo and it needs wifi or other signals.

EXCELLENT idea. It was far, far too trivial to find a good venue before. With this suggestion, we're again making it a TRUE challenge to find a venue.

Now I just have to convince Fan Expo to move. Or get the Toronto Convention centre to beef up its Wi Fi so a few 10s of thousands can all sign on simultaneously (alas, us gamers have to share the WiFi with them :-() I'm CERTAIN they'll go along with that. After all, this is the century of digitization.


Rysky wrote:

This thread begs to differ.

Not everyone drags all their physical books around with them.

And not everyone who doesn't drag all their books around with them need connectivity. Some just need an electrical outlet cause all their books are saved. And with a good battery on the device the need for a power outlet goes down.

Silver Crusade

Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote:
Rysky wrote:

This thread begs to differ.

Not everyone drags all their physical books around with them.

And not everyone who doesn't drag all their books around with them need connectivity. Some just need an electrical outlet cause all their books are saved. And with a good battery on the device the need for a power outlet goes down.

For some devices, a lot drain faster when in bad service areas.

And then there's those that use Herolab or whatever it's called and similar services.

Point being, anti-tech is not the way to go.

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/5 ***

Adding wifi-extenders to a facility and/or additional hardware to accommodate a larger user pool is significantly easier than adding a bank of electrical outlets that are both plentiful and area-accessible. The user can address the latter issue (auxiliary batteries) while the site has to resolve the former. Since the vast majority of conventions occur in large convention-dedicated spaces and hotels its not a stretch for them to provide adequate wifi service. In the 21st century its kind a thing that people expect, like clean towels in their hotel room bathroom. You really shouldn't have to ask for it.


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Rysky wrote:
Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote:
Rysky wrote:

This thread begs to differ.

Not everyone drags all their physical books around with them.

And not everyone who doesn't drag all their books around with them need connectivity. Some just need an electrical outlet cause all their books are saved. And with a good battery on the device the need for a power outlet goes down.

For some devices, a lot drain faster when in bad service areas.

And then there's those that use Herolab or whatever it's called and similar services.

Point being, anti-tech is not the way to go.

You probably should have gone with that point instead of "Not everyone drags all their physical books around with them."

The point is a good point.

The other can be interpreted as a snide passive aggressive attack against people who carry around books and is limited in its view because of those who have saved their books on devices and carry around portable charge ability of some sort

Silver Crusade

*nods*

I do have a problem with coming off as snark when I'm trying to be succint.

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