Outflank: Whenever you and an ally who also has this feat are f lanking the same creature, your f lanking bonus on attack rolls increases to +4. In addition, whenever you score a critical hit against the f lanked creature, it provokes an attack of opportunity from your ally
Paired Opportunists: Whenever you are adjacent to an ally who also has this feat, you receive a +4 circumstance bonus on attacks of opportunity against creatures that you both threaten. Enemies that provoke attacks of opportunity from your ally also provoke attacks of opportunity from you so long as you threaten them (even if the situation or an ability would normally deny you the attack of opportunity). This does not allow you take more than one attack of opportunity against a creature for a given action
These are two teamwork feats from the new APG im just looking at their synergy and asking if it works so lets say
I hit my target and critical hit my teammate with these feats also get an AOO and in then since the creature that I hit provoked an AOO i get one also is this correct or am I reading this wrong?
As written, this sounds right. One note: make sure when you're flanking people you're also adjacent to allies with these feats, as that's required for the 2nd feat to trigger.
Yeah I created a group of Goblin Fighter Rogues who basically took advantage of this tactic Flank and throw lots of dice of damage
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I can't really think of a way for these to 'work together' as described above, assuming there's only two buddies. You have to be adjacent to the ally for one to work, and flanking with the ally for the other. I don't think that can ever happen.
Now it will cause a nice chain if you're surrounding it with 4 people.
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B X C
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X being the target, A-D being the guys with the feats. Let's say D attacks and crits. He's flanking with A, so X will provoke an AoO from A (along with giving A a +4 bonus on this AoO). Since B and C are adjacent to A, they will also get attacks of opportunity since he got one. And since D is adjacent to B or C, he'll get one as well.
So in short, with 2 people, it doesn't seem to work. If you have 4 people doubly flanking someone? Well then if one person gets a critical, everyone gets an AoO!
At least that's how I see it.
Yeah I didnt see adjacent i thought it said threatening
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The first part says that you get +4 to attacks of opportunity if you are adjacent to an ally that has this feat. The second part says that you get a free AoO whenever an ally that also has this feat makes an AoO as long as you threaten them (them being the opponent that suffers the AoO).
Those are two completely different parts of the same feat, since it specifically lists a requirement on both parts. First part= Adjacent and threatening; Second Part= Threatening.
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The first part says that you get +4 to attacks of opportunity if you are adjacent to an ally that has this feat. The second part says that you get a free AoO whenever an ally that also has this feat makes an AoO as long as you threaten them (them being the opponent that suffers the AoO).
Those are two completely different parts of the same feat, since it specifically lists a requirement on both parts. First part= Adjacent and threatening; Second Part= Threatening.
Hmm, that is a good point. I think I actually agree.
Ok so it does work just doesnt get the bonus to hit?
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I guess the only thing that still keeps me on the fence is this:
"Whenever you are adjacent to an ally who also has this feat, you receive a +4 circumstance bonus on attacks of opportunity against creatures that you both threaten. Enemies that provoke attacks of opportunity from your ally"
In the first bit, it sounds like the feat is saying 'when you are adjacent to any ally, you get x'. Then in the second part, it says "enemies that provoke attacks of opportunity from 'your ally'", which seems to imply it's referencing the same ally that you're adjacent to from part 1. It's not saying "Enemies that provoke attacks of opportunity from 'an ally'" like in part one.
So I'm still not sure if it's entirely separate or not. If it sounded like it was referencing two feasibly different allies, sure, but that one word makes it look like they're still talking about the same adjacent guy from the first sentence.
After Jason gets out of the dungeon (finishes writing APG I hear he is shackled into the basement at the warehouse)
He can comment on things like this
In all actuality, discussion about this feat could be for naught anyhow. The Advanced Player's Guide might clarify things when it comes out in August. :)
Very True I cant wait for this book to come out