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Prerequisite: Human.
Benefit: Choose another humanoid race. You count as both human and that race for any effects related to race. For example, if you choose dwarf, you are considered both a human and a dwarf for the purpose of taking traits, feats, how spells and magic items affect you, and so on.
From the ARG additional resources
Note: Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race. Racial equipment and magic items can be purchased and used by any race as long as the specific item permits it (for example, only halflings can purchase and use solidsmoke pipeweed).
Pathfinder Player Companion: Dragon Empires Primer
Archetypes: all archetypes on pages 22-23; Feats: kitsune feats on page 5 are legal for kitsune characters; all feats on pages 24-25;
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I'm FAQing this, but I firmly believe that the intent was and continues to be that for the purposes of PFS specific rules(read: not rules you find in core books; like the additional resources and PFS specific FAQs) you only have one race. The one you selected at character creation. Or have a seperate boon that allows access.
Thus, any PFS rule that states you must be a race requires the boon for that race applied to that character or for your character to select the race from the list of boon-less races at character creation. That restriction would not include rules found inside of books which are not modified by PFS only rules.
Mike Brock on the subject
On the Treesinger
and again
ARG half-elf half-orc
John Compton on the subject
Violent Display/skinwalkers
Can I use racial heritage to get ARG stuff?
The last one clearly states this as a no.
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There are game rules, and there are campaign rules.
Game rules allow a Human with Racial Heritage (Kitsune) to start a fire in the Rules Forum.
Campaign rules (such as those explained on the Additional Resources page) spray it with fire suppression foam to prevent such things.
We have clarification from previous leadership. We have 3 options:
• Keep that ruling.
• Nullify that ruling.
• Add it to the huge list of potential FAQ topics
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To be honest, I never understood why the ARG was house-ruled that way. It always seemed rather arbitrary.
Did Mr. Brock ever give any insight into the reasoning behind the decision?
Probably to avoid creating contentious combinations such as a human with racial heritage (kitsune) taking the fox shape feat. ;)
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They are letting you use it. Just, not to do some of the crazy, ridiculous things a home GM would either prevent... or let you do full knowing they are crazy and ridiculous.
That ends up limiting it more than anyone this side of banning it would want... but that is the cost of playing an organized game like PFS.
You best bet is to lobby for certain exclusions to the rule after crunching the numbers and fully checking the possibilities of the option for outright wackiness.
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Yeah, some of those crazy things are still in, but some of the archetypes in ARG have never seemed all that race based to me. Bramble Brewer for example, while under half-elf should be available to other style characters (it is basically a druid alchemist.) A clearer limitation on what could and could not be taken would allow us to us some of the more balaced options.
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No... any mechanics you want to use outside of core assumptions, you have to own. Plain and simple.
If being an Aasimar via boon won't open up unowned mechanics,, why should Racial Heritage:Aasimar do so?
Either you misread the entire thread or posted this in the wrong thread. Either way, no one here is talking about not needing to own the books to use the books. We are talking about if Racial Heritage does/could/should allow usage of mechanics restricted by race in the additional resources. And if not, why.
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John Compton on the subject
Violent Display/skinwalkers
Can I use racial heritage to get ARG stuff?
The last one clearly states this as a no.
Well that pretty much settles that.
The feat needs a ban, a really big asterix, or a cautionary word from admiral ackbar on the additional resources.
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John Compton on the subject
Violent Display/skinwalkers
Can I use racial heritage to get ARG stuff?
The last one clearly states this as a no.Well that pretty much settles that.
The feat needs a ban, a really big asterix, or a cautionary word from admiral ackbar on the additional resources.
Yes and no. It basically applies to race locked splatbooks and the ARG. The core book, the Advaced Player's Guide, the Advanced Class Guide, and the non race locked books still have a lot to offer such as traits, feats, archetypes, and equipment.
It perhaps would be best if books which do not allow its' use to be so marked on their additional rescoures entry.
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It perhaps would be best if books which do not allow its' use to be so marked on their additional rescoures entry.
The ARG ban alone probably knocks out half of what people want to do with the feat. If its not going to work like people expect it to from reading it, it should have a warning.
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The ARG ban alone probably knocks out half of what people want to do with the feat. If its not going to work like people expect it to from reading it, it should have a warning.
It perhaps would be best if books which do not allow its' use to be so marked on their additional rescoures entry.
It has the same inherent warning every character option has in PFS -- "See the Additional Resources". The AR page tells you on certain books that you need to actually be that race. The AR already tells you, and that's what needs to be checked for every choice you make anyways.
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It has the same inherent warning every character option has in PFS -- "See the Additional Resources". The AR page tells you on certain books that you need to actually be that race. The AR already tells you, and that's what needs to be checked for every choice you make anyways.The ARG ban alone probably knocks out half of what people want to do with the feat. If its not going to work like people expect it to from reading it, it should have a warning.
It perhaps would be best if books which do not allow its' use to be so marked on their additional rescoures entry.
And that has bitten my backside more than once!
I really want to use the arcane discovery 'knowledge is power'!My EK would greatly appreciate it.
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It has the same inherent warning every character option has in PFS -- "See the Additional Resources". The AR page tells you on certain books that you need to actually be that race. The AR already tells you, and that's what needs to be checked for every choice you make anyways.The ARG ban alone probably knocks out half of what people want to do with the feat. If its not going to work like people expect it to from reading it, it should have a warning.
It perhaps would be best if books which do not allow its' use to be so marked on their additional rescoures entry.
The additional resource document system is confusing enough without the extra layer
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The additional resource document system is confusing enough without the extra layerIt has the same inherent warning every character option has in PFS -- "See the Additional Resources". The AR page tells you on certain books that you need to actually be that race. The AR already tells you, and that's what needs to be checked for every choice you make anyways.The ARG ban alone probably knocks out half of what people want to do with the feat. If its not going to work like people expect it to from reading it, it should have a warning.
It perhaps would be best if books which do not allow its' use to be so marked on their additional rescoures entry.
Outside of one specific case where a feat may or may not bypass it, I'm not seeing how the additional resource document is confusing. It's pretty strait forward. The doc tells you what's legal, what's not legal, and what needs to be changed for it to be legal.
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The additional resource document system is confusing enough without the extra layerIt has the same inherent warning every character option has in PFS -- "See the Additional Resources". The AR page tells you on certain books that you need to actually be that race. The AR already tells you, and that's what needs to be checked for every choice you make anyways.The ARG ban alone probably knocks out half of what people want to do with the feat. If its not going to work like people expect it to from reading it, it should have a warning.
It perhaps would be best if books which do not allow its' use to be so marked on their additional rescoures entry.
PFS is the additional layer. That's where the confusion starts.
Only PFS rules(Things like boons, FAQs, board posts by the right people) can get around PFS rulings. Nothing from the core/splat books can help you there, because Pathfinder is a layer of rules under PFS. For PFS, a character has only the race('counts as') that they assigned their character during creation unless they have a boon(read: PFS rules construct) that says otherwise.
