Is Violent Display PFS legal?


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Silver Crusade

I think its from Blood of the Mood but I can't find verification anywhere...

5/5 5/55/55/5

Llyra Sundancer wrote:
I think its from Blood of the Mood but I can't find verification anywhere...

How to check

Quick method: Google archives of nethys violent display. That will bring up

This

There's a funny white X symbol up top. Thats the glyph of the open road, which is the pathfinder society logo meaning its legal for pfs. The site is PRETTY accurate but nothings foolproof, so if you want to double check it theres...

You may need to do this first because it will tell you its in blood of the moon, which makes it easy if you have to do it....

the long way.

Google pathfinder society additional resources for the list of what books are allowed

Here

hit ctrl f to search for blood of the moon. which reads...

Spoiler:
Pathfinder Player Companion: Blood of the Moon

To create a skinwalker (which includes all were-kin), you must have a Chronicle sheet that opens the race as a legal option at character creation.

Note: Racial feats, racial traits, and racial spells are only available for characters of the skinwalker race. Racial equipment and magic items can be purchased and used by any race as long as the specific item permits it.

The becoming a lycanthrope section of this book is not legal for Pathfinder Society play unless noted on a future Chronicle sheet.

Equipment: all equipment on page 30 are legal; Magic Items: all magic items on pages 30-31 are legal; Mystery: the lunar mystery is legal for play.

Hmmm.. I'd need the book to see if that was a racial feat or not. The way the additional resources is worded makes it sound like all the feats are racial feats, since there's no line for feats.

Silver Crusade

Its odd - this is the text as it reads...

Special: This feat is available to weretigers, weretiger-kin and those who associate with these creatures.

Just what constitutes 'those who associate with these creatures'?

The link is broken I think...

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Llyra Sundancer wrote:

Its odd - this is the text as it reads...

Special: This feat is available to weretigers, weretiger-kin and those who associate with these creatures.

Just what constitutes 'those who associate with these creatures'?

The link is broken I think...

Oops. Fixed link.

I would be inclined to read that as the feat only being available for skinwalkers in pfs.

PFS has no skinwalkers afaik, it might be a boon or auction chronicle at gencon though

3/5

I disagree, I'd allow it as skinwalker isn't in the prerequisite list, while the feats in the Advanced Race Guide do list things like "dwarf" in the prerequisites. I'd read "those who associate with such creatures" broadly.

As a practical matter you'll get table variation (BigNorseWolf's reading is perfectly reasonable and you should expect at least 50% of your GMs to have the same reading).

5/5 5/55/5 *** Venture-Captain, Germany—Hamburg

It's in the weretiger-kin section and it explicitly says that the feats listed on that page are available to weretiger-kin, weretigers and those who associate with these creatures.
So this not only is skinwalker only, it's also weretiger-kin only.

1/5

I would expect no GM to allow this. Additional resources for this book does not list any feats as being available for general use. So unless you can present a boon showing you can play a skinwalker you cannot take this feat.

Silver Crusade

Llyra Sundancer wrote:
I think its from Blood of the Mood but I can't find verification anywhere...

I'd like to use it. I also think I should be able to use it even though the character in question has absolutely no connection to skin walkers of any type. My interest is in the thematical appeal of the mechanics, not the other way around.

Having said that, the general consensus in these brief answers - and thank you for those - is enough to convince me to go another route. I appreciate the responses.

Sovereign Court 4/5 5/5 ** Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden

My own routine for checking these things is this:

1) Find the thing on Archives of Nethys (because of the powerful search functions)

2) Use that to look it up in the actual Paizo PDF, and see if Nethys quoted it accurately and completely.

3) Compare it to the Additional Resources.

Dark Archive 5/5

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

The Additional Resources page says:

Additional Resources wrote:

Pathfinder Player Companion: Blood of the Moon

To create a skinwalker (which includes all were-kin), you must have a Chronicle sheet that opens the race as a legal option at character creation.

Note: Racial feats, racial traits, and racial spells are only available for characters of the skinwalker race. Racial equipment and magic items can be purchased and used by any race as long as the specific item permits it.

The becoming a lycanthrope section of this book is not legal for Pathfinder Society play unless noted on a future Chronicle sheet.

Equipment: all equipment on page 30 are legal; Magic Items: all magic items on pages 30-31 are legal; Mystery: the lunar mystery is legal for play.

Unless you're a skinwalker, no feats are available. The only items generally available are listed above: equipment on page 30, magic items on page 30-31, and the lunar mystery.

Grand Lodge 2/5

It's not just a racial feat, though. It's available to "anyone who associates with these creatures". It's no different than THIS thread asking about affinity prereqs for feats. GMs don't have control over a PC's backstory, unless there's a blanket rule saying "skinwalkers don't exist in PFS Golarion" (which there isn't) then this is perfectly acceptable (as in who can say that my PC has never associated with a skinwalker?).

I suppose an argument could be made that since two of the three is a racial requirement (weretiger and weretiger-kin), that that makes it a "racial feat" and thus isn't allowed. I don't have my book with me to see the wording of the rest of the feats, but I'd wager they're the same and if that's the case, then the line Glav quoted "Racial feats, racial traits, and racial spells are only available for characters of the skinwalker race" would be pointless if this isn't what it meant.

Outside of PFS this can be taken by any race, inside of PFS it comes down to whether or not "those who associate with these creatures" means it's not a "racial feat" since that opens it up to any race. I'd argue it's not a "racial feat".

Paizo Employee 4/5 Developer

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claudekennilol wrote:

It's not just a racial feat, though. It's available to "anyone who associates with these creatures". It's no different than THIS thread asking about affinity prereqs for feats. GMs don't have control over a PC's backstory, unless there's a blanket rule saying "skinwalkers don't exist in PFS Golarion" (which there isn't) then this is perfectly acceptable (as in who can say that my PC has never associated with a skinwalker?).

I suppose an argument could be made that since two of the three is a racial requirement (weretiger and weretiger-kin), that that makes it a "racial feat" and thus isn't allowed. I don't have my book with me to see the wording of the rest of the feats, but I'd wager they're the same and if that's the case, then the line Glav quoted "Racial feats, racial traits, and racial spells are only available for characters of the skinwalker race" would be pointless if this isn't what it meant.

Outside of PFS this can be taken by any race, inside of PFS it comes down to whether or not "those who associate with these creatures" means it's not a "racial feat" since that opens it up to any race. I'd argue it's not a "racial feat".

While you are right that a player can make virtually any backstory for her character, for the purposes of Pathfinder Society Organized Play and the Additional Resources page entry that Glav quotes above, only actual skinwalker characters qualify for taking those feats and other character abilities. The page's language allows any current and future skinwalkers to make use of these feats.

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