Help with 2 Character Concepts [PFS]

[EvilPaladin]

Hello Fellow Gamers!

Recently heard a rumour about a "Blood of Elements" book coming out, so I decided I will wait on making the bard I was making until I see the new potential undine options [or too much time goes by and I get tired of waiting to make it] so I came up with some new character concepts, since I'm tired of seeing "Murderhobo's" in PFS. I was wondering if there were any particularly good ways to go about making either of them. The other will wind up in a homegame.

The Palada-Bukler:

Basic Concept is that the character is one who worships Sarenrae, but was never a Paladin because he never managed to live up to the expectations, always taking the easy way out of things and occasionally having to go against himself to do what he thought was right. He is Dextrous, non-violent, and while being willing to wade into combat, abhors the idea of Murder or Killing any sentient being. Prefers to try and disable enemies by tripping, disarming, or doing nonlethal damage.

Mechanically, I want this to be a Swashbuckler [ACG class] with Blade of Mercy and Dervish Dance, but I'm not sure how best to go about investing in trip/disarm and at the same time melee combat.

The Butterfly Healer:

Basic Concept is a character who is a doctor when not adventuring. He knows a lot about anatomy and while he is open to fighting an enemy, tries to refrain from killing the enemy himself if only to keep away from "Legal Ramifications". He has healing magic making him an excellent doctor, and uses it on PCs after combats if only to use fellow PCs as potential scapegoats. Despite his apathetic front, he is good at heart and doesn't want to get anyone killed, but he isn't good enough at heart to take the fall for any serious crimes.

Mechanically, I'm not sure. I want to use Butterfly's Sting to imitate him trying to get allies to kill his enemies instead of doing it himself. I'm thinking maybe a Chirurgeon with "Clever Wordplay" so that he is good at lying and is a doctor-type character, or maybe an Oracle or Bard for more healing potential.

So, how might be best for building these concepts? Thanks in advance!

[EvilPaladin]

Anyone?

[EvilPaladin]

EvilPaladin wrote:

Anyone?

Beuller?

[Imbicatus]

Swashbuckler is pretty easy. Blade of Mercy + Dervish Dance on a swashbuckler covers your basic concept, and swashbuckler's finesse let you use your CHA instead of INT to qualify for Expertise and Improved Disarm/Trip maneuvers. Take Fury's Fall as well and you are looking at double dex to trip maneuvers.

As for your Butterfly Healer concept, I would look at a Vivisectionist Alchemist with sap master if this wasn't for PFS, but it is so that's a no-go. Maybe a Battle Oracle with the legalistic curse?

[EvilPaladin]

Imbicatus wrote:

Swashbuckler is pretty easy. Blade of Mercy + Dervish Dance on a swashbuckler covers your basic concept, and swashbuckler's finesse let you use your CHA instead of INT to qualify for Expertise and Improved Disarm/Trip maneuvers. Take Fury's Fall as well and you are looking at double dex to trip maneuvers.

Unfortunately, Swashbuckler Finesse only applies to Combat Expertise, and not Improved Trip or Disarm, or anything else. The main problem I had with this build was figuring out stat distribution, and feat placement.

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As for your Butterfly Healer concept, I would look at a Vivisectionist Alchemist with sap master if this wasn't for PFS, but it is so that's a no-go. Maybe a Battle Oracle with the legalistic curse?

Battle Oracle maybe, but considering the character concept pretty much requires he use bluff a lot, and Legalistic is all about keeping your word, I'd say it wouldn't be the best curse to take.

[EvilPaladin]

So, while I'm still not sure on the Butterfly Healer, I came up with a rough progression for the

Swashbuckler:

Human Swashbuckler
Stats:
Str10
Dex18[+2race and 1 level]
Con14
Int13
Wis10
Cha14

Feats:
1Combat Expertise
1Improved Trip
3Dervish Dance
4Combat Reflexes
5Extra Panache? Improved Initiative? Quick Draw?

Traits:
Blade of Mercy
Reactionary

I'm still rather unsure about my stats though, due to low wisdom and charisma [well, decent charisma, but still not quite enough to make up for the 2 poor saves], and I think Combat Reflexes might be coming in too late. How might be a better way to arrange this?

And any really good fits for the Butterfly Healer as far as class?

[EvilPaladin]

EvilPaladin wrote:

EvilPaladin wrote:

Anyone?

Beuller?

Beuller?

[EvilPaladin]

Ran with a version of the "Butterfly Healer" in a PFS session recently, using Inquisitor as the class. The basic build was

Human Inquisitor of Sarenrae
Stats:
Str16[14+2human]
Dex14
Con14
Int13
Wis14
Cha7

With conversion inquisition, the traits "Fate's Favored" and "Reactionary", and Combat Expertise and Butterfly's Sting at first level.

I used my favored class bonus for skills, since I was in a group of almost all melee frontliners [2 levels higher than me], and I figured it was either get hit and die or don't get hit. Either way I doubted 1HP would save me. I'm not sure if Sarenrae is completely appropriate for the flavor, but I was building on the fly, so I figured why not?

I'm contemplating just before leveling him up using the free re-build rules of PFS to swap Butterfly's Sting for Dual Talent so I can raise my wisdom up a bit, and taking Butterfly's Sting at level 3. I've also been wondering about the Infiltrator archetype, but I'm not sure if its worth giving up Stern Gaze and Monster Lore.

Any insight as to this or the "Palada-buckler"