I was discussing updating one of the old monk/arcane PrCs with a friend and came to the decision that it would be interesting to have it simply for a 1-20 sourcerer.
My problem is that I'm not sure how I would approach it, I could have it as a bloodline (humans have one for being descendant from kings and emperors, so why not?), as an archetype, or as both (having the archetype play off of the bloodline and strengthen it in exchange for lessened spellcasting).
I have a vague idea for the bloodline so far in, but does anyone have any thoughts regarding what should or should be used?
Current bloodline concept:
Arcana: Cha to AC, but no more than sourcerer level. Uses usual monk AC limitations. IUS as bonus feat too.
1st: 3+Cha/day: FoB using sourcerer proficiencies and level in place of Monk level.
3rd: Unarmed damage equal to monk level-3 (minimum 1st)
Aaaaand that's all I've got so far in. I'll probably have the bonus feats for monks as part of the bloodline feats.
Now that I'm home I'll add a bit more to this. Bear in mind I'm not really set on any of these yet.
Class Skill: Acrobatics
Bonus Spells: Expeditious Retreat(3rd), Bull's Strength (5th), Haste (7th), Dim. Door (9th), <I'm not sure here> (11th), Heroism, Greater (13th), <I'm not sure here> (15th), Iron Body (17th), Fiery Body (19th)
Bonus Feats: Combat Reflexes, Deflect Arrows, Dodge, Mobility, Skill Focus (Acrobatics), Snatch Arrows, Sorcerous Bloodstrike, Toughness.
Arcana: Cha to AC, but no more than sourcerer level. Uses usual monk AC limitations. IUS as bonus feat too.
1st: 3+Cha/day: FoB using sourcerer proficiencies and level in place of Monk proficiencies and level.
3rd: Unarmed damage equal to his monk level-4 (minimum 1st) and counts as a monk of 4 levels lower for qualifying for feats.
9th: Purity of Body
15th: Quivering Palm (with the DC using Cha)
20th: Perfect Self
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For an archetype I've run into a conundrum: Why use a sourcerer archetype when a magus archetype would fit better? I can't help but feel that a monk/caster should be able to use spells during FoB, which then basically becomes Spell Combat. And Arcane Pool definitely fits as a Ki Pool replacement. I figure I'll start with a Kensai chassis and modify it from there.
honestly why not do both? that being said i do think that the bloodline needs to take a few steps away from having the exact monk features, or else everyone with eldritch heritage is going to steal the monks most unique class features. on second thought it does sound good as a way to replace the monk with a more agreeable set up hmmmm...
Play an empyreal sorc, which allows you to use WIS instead of CHA for your sorcerer abilities. Multiclass with Monk. Problem solved?
That was one of the ideas my friend I were talking about if we updated the old PrC, but decided we wanted a full class instead.
@Toastwolf: You're right, maybe I should change things away so I don't steal too much of the monk's thunder.
I am going to bump this as a segway for an Multiclass archetype setup, you were nearly there Tristam!
oh and zen bloodline has a certain ring to it.
I feel like the bloodline should have a ki pool. After all, ninja already do, and it's even based on Charisma.
could work, but it should be reduced. That way charisma classes can't snag easy extra attacks and AC. Maybe not have it scale with level, but just uses the charisma modifier.
Now that I'm home I'll add a bit more to this. Bear in mind I'm not really set on any of these yet.
Class Skill: Acrobatics
Bonus Spells: Expeditious Retreat(3rd), Bull's Strength (5th), Haste (7th), Dim. Door (9th), <I'm not sure here> (11th), Heroism, Greater (13th), <I'm not sure here> (15th), Iron Body (17th), Fiery Body (19th)
Bonus Feats: Combat Reflexes, Deflect Arrows, Dodge, Mobility, Skill Focus (Acrobatics), Snatch Arrows, Sorcerous Bloodstrike, Toughness.
Arcana: Cha to AC, but no more than sourcerer level. Uses usual monk AC limitations. IUS as bonus feat too.
1st: 3+Cha/day: FoB using sourcerer proficiencies and level in place of Monk proficiencies and level.
3rd: Unarmed damage equal to his monk level-4 (minimum 1st) and counts as a monk of 4 levels lower for qualifying for feats.
9th: Purity of Body
15th: Quivering Palm (with the DC using Cha)
20th: Perfect Self
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For an archetype I've run into a conundrum: Why use a sourcerer archetype when a magus archetype would fit better? I can't help but feel that a monk/caster should be able to use spells during FoB, which then basically becomes Spell Combat. And Arcane Pool definitely fits as a Ki Pool replacement. I figure I'll start with a Kensai chassis and modify it from there.
The more I look at the bloodline the more I like it. It doesn't seems as problematic for eldritch heritage users.