Triumph points oddity question


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At the end of book 1 it says that the PCs should gain 1 triumph point for every delegate they convinced to sign both the mutual aid alliance and the self-defense agreement as those nations send aid. However at the start of book 2 it says that the PCs should gain 1 triumph point for every delegate they convinced to sign the self-defense agreement (with no mention of the mutual aid alliance), as those are the countries sending aid.

This seemed a bit odd to me, so I figured I'd ask here for opinions or maybe something I missed. Is it that the plan for how to earn triumph points changed between book 1 and 2 hence the slightly different rules making it slightly easier to have earned triumph points? Or the PCs actually meant to have a maximum of 12 triumph points, 1 for each delegate who signed article three and 2 for each delegate who signed articles two and three? At two points per delegate it just seems like it'd be very easy to have to make essentially no choices in book two and just spend points every chance.

By my quick count, book 2 has 11 mandatory events which cost 1 triumph point each to get the best result, and up to 8 more triumph points if the PCs do badly and go out of their way to spend more, plus some repeatable ways to spend triumph points for boosts in combat or items. I also counted a maximum of 18 points earned during book two, but with looking at realistically like 11-13 triumph points spent for book two, and chances to earn 18, starting with 8-10 points from book 1 seems like a lot unless book three is really point hungry?

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That's a cross-book typo, alas. The maximum triumph points at the start should be 6, and should be awarded as described in book 1.

There's going to be more things for the PCs to spend Triumph Points on in book 3, and so yeas it is really Triumph Point hungry, but keep in mind most groups won't earn all possible points, and they won't know how many they should spend versus how many they should save.


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Thanks for the info, greatly appreciated. And yeah, I was just curious because it felt more likely to be a typo than intentionally giving up to 12 points from book 1, I don't expect most parties to get most of the points but I'll have to see with my players.

I remember running Iron Gods book 2 and having to start inventing new content because my players were so dedicated to trying to find every single side quest before doing anything resembling the actual task at hand, always interesting how different groups go.

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