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At 3rd level, a samurai gains an unparalleled expertise with his chosen weapons. At 3rd level, the samurai selects either the katana, longbow, naginata, or wakizashi. The samurai can draw the selected weapon as a free action as if he had the Quick Draw feat. In addition, whenever he threatens a critical hit with the selected weapon, he gains a +2 bonus on the confirmation roll. Finally, his samurai levels stack with any fighter levels he possesses for the purposes of meeting the prerequisites for feats that specifically select his chosen weapon, such as Weapon Specialization.
As we can see the Samurai actually has no levels in fighter, and there is no verbiage saying that his Samurai levels count as fighter levels for the purpose of this ability.
Compare to:
An eldritch knight adds his level to any levels of fighter he might have for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats (if he has no fighter levels, treat his eldritch knight levels as levels of fighter).
I know Paizo does not promote multiclassing so I was thinking that the RAI was to count the Samurai as having fighter levels even though the RAW does not say that, but then there is this:
Bonus Feats: An internal alchemist can select Alertness, Extra Ki, Great Fortitude, Improved Critical (unarmed strike), Improved Initiative, Improved Unarmed Strike, Iron Will, Lighting Reflexes, Stunning Fist, or Weapon Focus (unarmed strike) in place of an alchemical discovery.
This alchemist archetype does not have any ki. It has to multiclass in order to use that feat, but otherwise it sound monkish in nature by its flavor.
This is mostly a post asking for FAQ's, and I am asking everyone to hit the FAQ button no matter what your stance is on the matter. :)

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The statement Finally, his samurai levels stack with any fighter levels he possesses for the purposes of meeting the prerequisites for feats that specifically select his chosen weapon, such as Weapon Specialization means that you count both his samurai levels and fighter levels, if any. I'm not sure that it requires a FAQ, but I could be in the minority.
As to the second issue, Paizo doesn't favor multiclassing but they still allow and support it. The 'gish' build of the Eldritch Knight was one of the most-liked bits of the multiclassing legacy we have inherited.

wraithstrike |

By say multiclassing I was not including PrC's. I was saying like fighter7/wizard7/PrC 0.
I will also add that the RAW says you his Samurai levels stack with his fighter levels, but that is not the same thing as Samurai levels count as fighter levels.
I think it may be RAI, but if so then the same verbage that was in the ED should have been applied again. Personally I would allow it, and were it not for the verbage in the ED I doubt I that I would have questioned it, but now a precedent has been set. Of course a general rule of "if classes A and B stack for the purpose of X then Class A counts as class B for the purpose of X" would clear this up, and all future writeups.

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Aye, what the rules are specifically saying is that if you have Fighter levels, Samurai levels stack with them. If you don't have fighter levels, there's nothing to stack with, so you don't get the benefit.
Otherwise, they simply would have said that Samurai levels count as Fighter levels for feats requiring them.
Which, I think, is a pretty good compromise. You want Weapon Spec, you must take at least one Fighter level.
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It seems more like a mistake in the way it's written than anything else, keep in mind that you can "only" take these feats with the one weapon you've focused on, and that selection is also limited to just four weapons. Seems like you've already reached a similar conclusion though. If it helps at all I agree that RAI Samurai levels count as/stack with for the purpose of said feats.

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It seems more like a mistake in the way it's written than anything else, keep in mind that you can "only" take these feats with the one weapon you've focused on, and that selection is also limited to just four weapons. Seems like you've already reached a similar conclusion though. If it helps at all I agree that RAI Samurai levels count as/stack with for the purpose of said feats.
That is why we should press the FAQ button so that it can be fixed if it is an error. Some GM's are not as flexible as us and read the rules in the most literal way at all times. Think about your fellow gamers. Press the FAQ button. :)