No arcane or divine in Pathfinder Society?


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I had a GM in our PFS game tonight tell me that spell scrolls don't have an arcane or divine type in the Pathfinder campaign setting (the setting, not the game), and that this carried over into Society play. Basically, if it was on your spell list, you were good to go.

He said that the rule primarily existed on the forums somewhere.

Did I hear right? Where is this ruling to be found? I'm curious to know!

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That would be the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, page 24, line:

"For the sake of simplicity, there is no difference between an arcane and divine scroll or wand. Thus a bard and cleric may both use the same scroll of cure moderate wounds"

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Ravingdork wrote:
Did I hear right? Where is this ruling to be found? I'm curious to know!

What are you thinking of doing, now that you're aware of it?

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It also applies to psychic spells now.

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Nefreet wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
Did I hear right? Where is this ruling to be found? I'm curious to know!
What are you thinking of doing, now that you're aware of it?

Nothing I suppose. The rule just surprised me, so I was curious to know more about it.

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It only applies in PFS. The distinction still theoretically exists in the campaign setting, although in published adventures you won't usually see an indication of what type a particular scroll included in treasure may be.

Grand Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

Correct, it is there in the setting, and in the rules. PFS just ignores it because it is a pain in the rear to track and it would mean that they would need to figure out what the scrolls in the rewards all are. And since sometimes the scrolls you find are to deal with problems you might face, they would have to put two of them in.

So I think of it less as they are neither arcane nor divine, but rather they are whatever happens to be most convenient at the moment. Your wizard has a scroll of a personal spell that the party cleric needs to cast on themselves for some reason? Good thing the shop made a mistake and gave you a divine scroll instead of the arcane scroll you asked for.

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One thing to note, scrolls are always made by either wizards, clerics or druids and use the lowest level across those three. That means for example that Life Bubble will always be a 4th level scroll with a caster level of 7 unless specified otherwise.

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How about conceive of it like this - the scroll contains the mechanics of the spell, but the caster provides the fuel. It does not matter if the fuel is divine or arcane; as long as the caster has the fuel to make the spell happen (as in, it is on their spell list), then they can set the mechanics of the scroll into action.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

I always viewed Arcane Magic as a bastardized/partially optimized version of Divine Magic. Divine Magic, both Clerical and Druidic is sort of the primal magic. It's what was used in the early times when the concept of magic was still new. Over time, mainly Wizards, but others like Sorcerers and Witchs took Divine Magic and tried to break it down, seeing how it worked, looking at it under the very primitive (even as far as the current game goes) lens, and replicate it.

This lead to some other, mostly by chance, discoveries (which is why there are some spells on Arcane Lists that are not on Divine), but there are still some mysteries that just can not be cracked, repeated, or improved, (which is why some spells are not common or do not exist on Arcane Lists). But that's also where PCs and new classes come in.

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andreww wrote:
One thing to note, scrolls are always made by either wizards, clerics or druids and use the lowest level across those three. That means for example that Life Bubble will always be a 4th level scroll with a caster level of 7 unless specified otherwise.

That is not quite true... But it is true for any spell that is on one of those three spell lists. If it is not on one of those lists, then the class that can cast it creates it (example: bless weapon is a Paladin only spell, so a pally would have to scribe it, brew a potion/oil, or craft a wand).

At least that is my understanding.

The key thing here is that you will never find a scroll of lesser restoration created by a paladin as a first level spell.

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Jack Brown wrote:
andreww wrote:
One thing to note, scrolls are always made by either wizards, clerics or druids and use the lowest level across those three. That means for example that Life Bubble will always be a 4th level scroll with a caster level of 7 unless specified otherwise.

That is not quite true... But it is true for any spell that is on one of those three spell lists. If it is not on one of those lists, then the class that can cast it creates it (example: bless weapon is a Paladin only spell, so a pally would have to scribe it, brew a potion/oil, or craft a wand).

At least that is my understanding.

The key thing here is that you will never find a scroll of lesser restoration created by a paladin as a first level spell.

The key thing here is that you will never be able to buy a scroll of lesser restoration created by a paladin as a first level spell in PFS unless it is listed on a Chronicle sheet.

FTFY

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