Supernatural Ability save DC's?

[NWOrpheus]

Okay, I know for most monsters, the save DC is 10+1/2 HD's+Cha mod.

But what about Domain powers that allow saves, such as Inevitable Subdomain

Quote:

Command (Su): As a standard action, you can give a creature an emotionless yet undeniable order, as per the spell command. A Will save negates this effect. You cannot target a creature more than once per day with this ability. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Wisdom modifier.

It states it's a will save, but what is that save based on?

[Robert A Matthews]

I am inclined to say it is based on your spellcasting ability score (most likely Wisdom). There doesn't appear to be any rules that tell how to determine the save DC for (Su) abilities. Since it produces the effects of a spell (how that doesn't make it a spell-like-ability is beyond me), you could use the save DC that casting the spell would have. Perhaps someone else knows where the rules say how to calculate save DCs for (Su) abilities.

[Dezhem]

Subdomains wrote:

If a subdomain ability calls for a saving throw, the DC of the save is equal to 10 + 1/2 the character's cleric level + her Wisdom modifier.

[NWOrpheus]

Ah! Awesome Dezhem, thank you!

So an ability like the Command one can actually get considerably more powerful than the spell version, minus the fact that metamagic feats can't apply. However, feats such as spell focus (enchantment) can, right? Or is that only for spell-like abilities?

As to why it's a supernatural ability, as opposed to a spell-like, it's because it's a granted ability by a divine force, as opposed to an innate ability?

Though, I'm frankly unclear why that's the case, given that the majority of base domains are listed as spell-like abilities, even though they're not spell-like at all (Like the air domain lightning arc) while things like chaos blade is a supernatural ability (even though it actually emulates a spell, IE align weapon)

[CWheezy]

Be careful with monsters, some of their abilities are constitution based

[NWOrpheus]

Wheezy: If so, it should say so in their description, as it says 'unless otherwise specified' I believe.

[Leg o' Lamb]

Robert A Matthews wrote:

I am inclined to say it is based on your spellcasting ability score (most likely Wisdom). There doesn't appear to be any rules that tell how to determine the save DC for (Su) abilities. Since it produces the effects of a spell (how that doesn't make it a spell-like-ability is beyond me), you could use the save DC that casting the spell would have. Perhaps someone else knows where the rules say how to calculate save DCs for (Su) abilities.

Ahem. Robert, might I introduce you to the Witch?