Nocticula Obedience


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Her obedience requires a pint of blood to be spilled. If the character spills his own blood multiple days in a row, is there a mechanical penalty for losing large quantities of blood in a short period of time?

Thanks.


There should be, I would treat it as constitution loss.

Doesn't have to be your blood though.


Blood loss is usually con damage.

The human body holds between 7 and 10 pints of blood. You can lose one without much trouble. Two or three, you're looking at fatigue, dizziness and inability to concentrate and fading consciousness. More than that, you're probably going to be unconscious and risking organ damage from lack of oxygen. Past that, you're in coma and death territory.

Rules-wise, I'd probably treat each pint of blood lost as 2 points of Con damage, with the first pint being free.

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No rules for it. No penalty.


I'm pretty sure Nocticula wants you to spill other people's blood. If you keep being cowardly about it she may get upset.


Would bleeding summoned creatures work?


Doomed Hero wrote:
Would bleeding summoned creatures work?

I would argue against it. Imagine the Hebrew God getting a summoned goat as a sacrifice. He'd probably be pissed.

Besides, wouldn't their blood, as the rest of them, disappear once the spell is over.


Trish Megistos wrote:
Doomed Hero wrote:
Would bleeding summoned creatures work?

I would argue against it. Imagine the Hebrew God getting a summoned goat as a sacrifice. He'd probably be pissed.

Besides, wouldn't their blood, as the rest of them, disappear once the spell is over.

that makes little/no sense XD (no offense intended)

If the Hebrew God you are talking about is the real world religion, then one of his characteristics is that he created everything. By himself. Only one God means it can't be created by some other "god".
So he created all the goats, the real ones, the imaginary ones, and even the summoned ones, so regardless which one you sacrifice, you are giving back to him what was already his (as he desires).
A good example would be Abraham offering Isaac, where it was said "God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering".

However, with the Hebrew God, it would seem that intent and obedience does play a large part of it as well (for example, the story of Cain and Able), so how would that fit with offering summoned creatures instead of real ones and how would that play out in the Pathfinder Fantasy? I dunno :)


Bring a couple of ordinary horses along and you should be fine - horses contain rather more blood with a human and a pint every other day will be less proportionately.

Or just cast lesser restoration each day I guess.


Gobo Horde wrote:
Trish Megistos wrote:
Doomed Hero wrote:
Would bleeding summoned creatures work?

I would argue against it. Imagine the Hebrew God getting a summoned goat as a sacrifice. He'd probably be pissed.

Besides, wouldn't their blood, as the rest of them, disappear once the spell is over.

that makes little/no sense XD (no offense intended)

If the Hebrew God you are talking about is the real world religion, then one of his characteristics is that he created everything. By himself. Only one God means it can't be created by some other "god".
So he created all the goats, the real ones, the imaginary ones, and even the summoned ones, so regardless which one you sacrifice, you are giving back to him what was already his (as he desires).
A good example would be Abraham offering Isaac, where it was said "God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering".

However, with the Hebrew God, it would seem that intent and obedience does play a large part of it as well (for example, the story of Cain and Able), so how would that fit with offering summoned creatures instead of real ones and how would that play out in the Pathfinder Fantasy? I dunno :)

If you're able to summon a goat, then you must be a faithful cleric. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to summon the goat. Your faith is proven.


Umbral Reaver wrote:
Gobo Horde wrote:
Trish Megistos wrote:
Doomed Hero wrote:
Would bleeding summoned creatures work?

I would argue against it. Imagine the Hebrew God getting a summoned goat as a sacrifice. He'd probably be pissed.

Besides, wouldn't their blood, as the rest of them, disappear once the spell is over.

that makes little/no sense XD (no offense intended)

If the Hebrew God you are talking about is the real world religion, then one of his characteristics is that he created everything. By himself. Only one God means it can't be created by some other "god".
So he created all the goats, the real ones, the imaginary ones, and even the summoned ones, so regardless which one you sacrifice, you are giving back to him what was already his (as he desires).
A good example would be Abraham offering Isaac, where it was said "God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering".

However, with the Hebrew God, it would seem that intent and obedience does play a large part of it as well (for example, the story of Cain and Able), so how would that fit with offering summoned creatures instead of real ones and how would that play out in the Pathfinder Fantasy? I dunno :)

If you're able to summon a goat, then you must be a faithful cleric. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to summon the goat. Your faith is proven.

Lol. That works too :)

Or as James put it; "But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
I have procured a goat. Therefore I have faith.


Well, the Pathfinder system does allow Clerics who are not devoted to a particular god, and Oracles who have no idea of who their divine patron is, and Shamans who worship the spirit of that rock over there, at the moment, so summoning a goat isn't necessarily proof of faith.

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A wizard can do it while being an athiest.


@Gobo Horde
Of course he isn't. We made him up, just like we (I say we though I obviously had no part in it, if it were up to me there would be less contradictions and undecideabilities) made up Pathfinder and all the other gods. And accordingly they didn't create anything. Still, he's described as a jealous and petty god and wouldn't be pleased by some summoned goat. Especially since they return to their own plane of existence after "dying" or the spell reaches its end.

I'd imagine a sacrifice being tied to some sort of toil or exertion. Waving your hand and speaking some words isn't the sort of thing to please some petty father figure.

But this isn't really the place to discuss theology (what a misnomer though).

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