Out of curiosity, is there any instance you've found of a class feat granting a specific skill feat? I haven't spent enough time looking through all of them.
If it doesn't say "if you already have x, instead..." then redundancy does not benefit you.
Generally picking a different background would be the way to go here.
What class feat gives a skill feat?
Off the top of my head raging intimidation gives two free skill feats as soon as you meet their prereqs
Yeah, which makes it a poor choice with a background that gives intimidating glare.
So if you're a Barbarian, who is planning on taking Raging Intimidation, the Warrior background is redundant.
But some other alternatives which are thematically similar include:
-Gladiator (Str or Cha, Perform, Gladiator Lore, Impressive Performance)
-Guard (Str or Cha, Intimidate, Legal/Warfare Lore, Quick Coercion)
-Martial Disciple (Str or Dex, Acrobatics or Athletics, Warfare Lore, Cat Fall or Quick Jump)
-Molthuni Mercenary (Str or Con, Athletics, Mercenary Lore, Experienced Professional)
-Bright Lion (Str or Cha, Deception, Mzali Lore, Lie to Me)
- Child of Westcrown (Str or Cha, Diplomacy, Westcrown Lore, Group Impression)
- Shoanti Name-Bearer (Str or Wis, Athletics, Quah Lore, Combat Climber)
etc.
There's little enough that differentiates backgrounds that "I don't want one that grants a skill feat I'm already getting elsewhere" is a valid choice to pick something else, oftentimes the same basic thing but more specific (e.g. "Warrior" to "worked as a mercenary for Molthune".)
So if you're a Barbarian, who is planning on taking Raging Intimidation, the Warrior background is redundant.
But some other alternatives which are thematically similar include:
-Gladiator (Str or Cha, Perform, Gladiator Lore, Impressive Performance)
-Guard (Str or Cha, Intimidate, Legal/Warfare Lore, Quick Coercion)
-Martial Disciple (Str or Dex, Acrobatics or Athletics, Warfare Lore, Cat Fall or Quick Jump)
-Molthuni Mercenary (Str or Con, Athletics, Mercenary Lore, Experienced Professional)
-Bright Lion (Str or Cha, Deception, Mzali Lore, Lie to Me)
- Child of Westcrown (Str or Cha, Diplomacy, Westcrown Lore, Group Impression)
- Shoanti Name-Bearer (Str or Wis, Athletics, Quah Lore, Combat Climber)etc.
There's little enough that differentiates backgrounds that "I don't want one that grants a skill feat I'm already getting elsewhere" is a valid choice to pick something else, oftentimes the same basic thing but more specific (e.g. "Warrior" to "worked as a mercenary for Molthune".)
It is more of an issue in Age of Ashes, where the Dragon Scholar background gives Dragon Lore and Intimidating Glare. Pairing a dragon totem barbarian with it feels like a no-brainer except for the redundant feat. As such I'd personally let someone replace the background feat
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It is more of an issue in Age of Ashes, where the Dragon Scholar background gives Dragon Lore and Intimidating Glare. Pairing a dragon totem barbarian with it feels like a no-brainer except for the redundant feat. As such I'd personally let someone replace the background featSo if you're a Barbarian, who is planning on taking Raging Intimidation, the Warrior background is redundant.
But some other alternatives which are thematically similar include:
-Gladiator (Str or Cha, Perform, Gladiator Lore, Impressive Performance)
-Guard (Str or Cha, Intimidate, Legal/Warfare Lore, Quick Coercion)
-Martial Disciple (Str or Dex, Acrobatics or Athletics, Warfare Lore, Cat Fall or Quick Jump)
-Molthuni Mercenary (Str or Con, Athletics, Mercenary Lore, Experienced Professional)
-Bright Lion (Str or Cha, Deception, Mzali Lore, Lie to Me)
- Child of Westcrown (Str or Cha, Diplomacy, Westcrown Lore, Group Impression)
- Shoanti Name-Bearer (Str or Wis, Athletics, Quah Lore, Combat Climber)etc.
There's little enough that differentiates backgrounds that "I don't want one that grants a skill feat I'm already getting elsewhere" is a valid choice to pick something else, oftentimes the same basic thing but more specific (e.g. "Warrior" to "worked as a mercenary for Molthune".)
Or just not take Raging Intimidation.
One thing I'm not sure of is- are Campaign Backgrounds like Campaign Traits in PF1 where you'd always want to spend one of your traits on a campaign trait since they're just better than other traits.
I don't have the Age of Ashes player's guide handy, but I don't recall them being more useful except for the "the lore is going to matter" part- it's just a binary stat choice, a free stat boost, a skill training, a lore training, and a skill feat.
But in all things the GM makes the call. If you want to let someone take Dragon Scholar with a different skill feat (group coercion, quick coercion for exmaple), go for it.
Multiclass archetypes say if you get a redundant skill from it you can pick another. I feel like that wouldn't be a bad houserule here necessarily.
HI, I'm the player making the character.
Yes, I in fact chose the Warrior background and thought about Raging Intimidation. Do I read it correctly that the redundancy of those two basically result in one effect just "vanishing"? If so then yeah, best option would be to change background I guess
I am so lost here. Where is the redundancy?
The Warrior background gives the skill feat Intimidating Glare.
Where does the Barbarian class say that it also gives Intimidating Glare?
I see where the Barbarian class says that you get to pick skill feats of your choice - 2nd level and every 2 levels thereafter. But you get to choose what those are.
If you already have Intimidating Glare from your background, then you have Intimidating Glare. You are able to use it. It can be used as prerequisites for other feats (if that is applicable).
And you certainly don't need to choose it again from level-up bonuses of the class.
HI, I'm the player making the character.
Yes, I in fact chose the Warrior background and thought about Raging Intimidation. Do I read it correctly that the redundancy of those two basically result in one effect just "vanishing"? If so then yeah, best option would be to change background I guessI am so lost here. Where is the redundancy?
The Warrior background gives the skill feat Intimidating Glare.
Where does the Barbarian class say that it also gives Intimidating Glare?
I see where the Barbarian class says that you get to pick skill feats of your choice - 2nd level and every 2 levels thereafter. But you get to choose what those are.
If you already have Intimidating Glare from your background, then you have Intimidating Glare. You are able to use it. It can be used as prerequisites for other feats (if that is applicable).
And you certainly don't need to choose it again from level-up bonuses of the class.
From the Barbarian class feats, page 88 in the PF2 Core Rulebook.
RAGING INTIMIDATION FEAT 1
BARBARIAN
Your fury fills your foes with fear. While you are raging, your Demoralize and Scare to Death actions (from the Intimidation skill and an Intimidation skill feat, respectively) gain the rage trait, allowing you to use them while raging. As soon as you meet the prerequisites for the skill feats Intimidating Glare and Scare to Death, you gain these feats.
A barbarian who wants to intimidate people while raging (seems kind of obvious, doesn't it?) needs the Raging Intimidation feat.
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Or just not take Raging Intimidation.It is more of an issue in Age of Ashes, where the Dragon Scholar background gives Dragon Lore and Intimidating Glare. Pairing a dragon totem barbarian with it feels like a no-brainer except for the redundant feat. As such I'd personally let someone replace the background featSo if you're a Barbarian, who is planning on taking Raging Intimidation, the Warrior background is redundant.
But some other alternatives which are thematically similar include:
-Gladiator (Str or Cha, Perform, Gladiator Lore, Impressive Performance)
-Guard (Str or Cha, Intimidate, Legal/Warfare Lore, Quick Coercion)
-Martial Disciple (Str or Dex, Acrobatics or Athletics, Warfare Lore, Cat Fall or Quick Jump)
-Molthuni Mercenary (Str or Con, Athletics, Mercenary Lore, Experienced Professional)
-Bright Lion (Str or Cha, Deception, Mzali Lore, Lie to Me)
- Child of Westcrown (Str or Cha, Diplomacy, Westcrown Lore, Group Impression)
- Shoanti Name-Bearer (Str or Wis, Athletics, Quah Lore, Combat Climber)etc.
There's little enough that differentiates backgrounds that "I don't want one that grants a skill feat I'm already getting elsewhere" is a valid choice to pick something else, oftentimes the same basic thing but more specific (e.g. "Warrior" to "worked as a mercenary for Molthune".)
Not taking Raging Intimidation means not being able to Demoralize while Raging, which is... Pretty bad for a barbarian with investment in intimidation.
There are several easy house rules you can use to get around this issue, but it IS an issue if your GM isn't cool about it.