I know that Wizards made an 8x8 "colossal" red dragon, and I have one, but it's really too big, especially when trying to maneuver four colossal monsters (mountain giants) around a battle mat with a bunch of medium-sized and large-sized PCs and NPCs. Has anyone actually just made a standard colossal-sized 6x6 miniature of any creature? About the only thing if that size I can find anywhere under miniatures is a flat 6x6 circular base, and a modern battle tank miniature. :-D Thanks!
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Reaper miniatures has plenty of unpainted miniatures that fit well on a 6 x 6 base.
You don't even need to be a great painter for all of them. They have one that makes for a great colossal red that I just slapped with a coat of red paint and then just painted the eyes and fangs and it looks just fine. T'Raukzul is its name.
And if you need 6x6 bases or any size really, I use Litko game accessories for cheap for good quality wooden bases. I think they also do plastic and magnetic bases but for a higher cost.
Reaper miniatures has plenty of unpainted miniatures that fit well on a 6 x 6 base.
You don't even need to be a great painter for all of them. They have one that makes for a great colossal red that I just slapped with a coat of red paint and then just painted the eyes and fangs and it looks just fine. T'Raukzul is its name.
And if you need 6x6 bases or any size really, I use Litko game accessories for cheap for good quality wooden bases. I think they also do plastic and magnetic bases but for a higher cost.
Thanks, Peachbottom! I looked up T'Raukzul but the only one I could find currently for sale is on eBay starting at $325! (There was another one for $240 but it already sold). Do you know the names of any other of their largest figures that might plausibly pass for 6x6? I haven't found any.
Thanks for mentioning Litko. I first found their acrylic circular 6" base on Amazon for $13 at https://smile.amazon.com/Base-inch-Circular-COLOSSAL-figure/dp/B0785HB981/r ef=pd_ybh_a_20?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=0S1SRHKC5XB1GGN505EF.
Then I found what appears to the same back on Litko's website for $4 at https://litko.net/collections/specialty-base-sets/products/rpg-bases-75-inc h-circular-small-figure-size-11.
I just found their wooden circular 6" bases on their website after reading your comments, for $11 at https://litko.net/products/miniature-base-circular-6-inch-3mm-plywood.
I'm thinking of picking up 4-6 of the $4 bases. I have an upcoming encounter with 4 colossal mountain giants, so I'd like at least 4, but it would be nice to have 6 for some future encounter with more colossal creatures. :-)
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Yes, unfortunately, T'Raukzul may not be available on the Reaper website yet. I got mine through their kickstarter so it should be added eventually.
Other Reaper miniatures that I've based on a Colossal base are:
77192 Kaladrax
77194 Cthulhu
77380 Khanjira the World Breaker
77580 Ma'al Drakar the Dragon Tyrant
77590 Father Dagon
None are humanoid in shape for mountain giants though. The largest giants I have are Huge, with the exception of that one Gargantuan Rune Giant that Paizo made.
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If you are looking for giant types, try converting 12 inch toys. I converted two hulk toys into titans, which are colossal in size. I found that the hulk toy worked pretty well. A creature as tall as a titan should either be very muscled, to bear all its weight, or very slender, to keep its weight down. The muscled type is more imposing, though.
Anyway, through sheer luck I picked up two 12" hulk toys in the thrift store, which I used for my titans. You shouldn't have too much trouble finding some 12" hulk toys as well for a reasonalbe price.
In this picture you can see how I went from toy to mini for my primitive titan conversion.
In this picture you can see how the more civilized titan holds up to the colossal dragon and the huge D&D King Hekaton miniature (which actually looks small in comparison).
This final picture shows how the titan matches up to normal medium and small sized miniatures.
Nice conversions, MrVergee. I like those a lot.
Yes, unfortunately, T'Raukzul may not be available on the Reaper website yet. I got mine through their kickstarter so it should be added eventually.
Other Reaper miniatures that I've based on a Colossal base are:
77192 Kaladrax
77194 Cthulhu
77380 Khanjira the World Breaker
77580 Ma'al Drakar the Dragon Tyrant
77590 Father DagonNone are humanoid in shape for mountain giants though. The largest giants I have are Huge, with the exception of that one Gargantuan Rune Giant that Paizo made.
Thanks, Peachbottom! This is great information!
T'Raukzul: Not on the Reaper website.
77192 Kaladrax: Unpainted, in pieces, $39.99, 11 in stock.
77194 Cthulhu: One unpainted, two painted, $39.99. (I'm not 100% sure they're actually selling the painted ones.)
77380 Khanjira the World Breaker: It shows a painted one but says 70 in stock, so they're probably not painted.
77580 Ma'al Drakar the Dragon Tyrant: 1. Deluxe Boxed Set, $149.99, appears to be painted. 2. Resin Model Kit, $699.99, appears to be painted but says 15 in stock, so maybe not.
77590 Father Dagon: $29.99, there are three painted photos and one unpainted, making me suspect that they just have one unpainted one.
The Chthulhu one is roughly humanoid, like a mind-flayer, although I can't see spending $160 to portray four mountain giants.
I found the rune giant, and the lowest price I can find for it is $49.
If you are looking for giant types, try converting 12 inch toys. I converted two hulk toys into titans, which are colossal in size. I found that the hulk toy worked pretty well. A creature as tall as a titan should either be very muscled, to bear all its weight, or very slender, to keep its weight down. The muscled type is more imposing, though.
Anyway, through sheer luck I picked up two 12" hulk toys in the thrift store, which I used for my titans. You shouldn't have too much trouble finding some 12" hulk toys as well for a reasonalbe price.
In this picture you can see how I went from toy to mini for my primitive titan conversion.
In this picture you can see how the more civilized titan holds up to the colossal dragon and the huge D&D King Hekaton miniature (which actually looks small in comparison).
This final picture shows how the titan matches up to normal medium and small sized miniatures.
Thanks for the Hulk suggestion, and great job on the titan conversions, especially the more civilized one! How long does it take you to do that sort of conversion? I have no skills along those lines and don't even paint miniatures.
I found King Hekaton, and he's apparently a huge figure like a standard storm giant, starting for around $30.
Mountain giants are around 40 feet tall, so an 8-inch-tall figure would make a good scale representation. I found a bunch of 8-inch Hulk figures! There are couple of cheap ones that would be good for the two sons, and a still inexpensive gladiator Hulk one for the father.
Now I'm looking for an 8" She Hulk to be the mother. So far I can find mostly 6" She Hulk figures, a couple of 4" ones, one 10" one, and a 5" candy She Hulk! :-D
I guess I could go with a 6", and just have her be shorter, although that would be the equivalent of only 30 feet tall. The bogus gargantuan Orcus figure (which I had to buy anyway) is about 6" tall. I've asked a couple of sellers how tall their She Hulk figures are, and maybe one will turn out to be 8". Meanwhile I'll keep looking elsewhere.
Thanks for the great ideas!
Update: I have found one type of 8" She Hulk figure, but it runs for like $85!
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There is a wicked 7" queen Gorgo (from 300) action figure, who might need no conversion at all. She doesn't appear to be too expensive.
If you're looking for 12" female action figures with a fantasy look, wonder woman is an option.
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If you don't mind going a very different route, LEGO has buildable Marvel, DC, and Star Wars characters that are typically about 9" tall and $25. Here's Rey as an example. Taller characters, like Darth Vader, Chewbacca, or Hulk, can be up to 11" tall and $30-$40 each. As construction toys, they're easy to modify by changing parts, and all are highly posable.
The armatures for these models are based on parts originally designed for the now-retired Hero Factory theme, which had characters and creatures of many different sizes and body shapes. You may be able to find some of those available from online resellers. The Legends of Chima theme also had a few large anthropomorphic animals in this style.
There is a wicked 7" queen Gorgo (from 300) action figure, who might need no conversion at all. She doesn't appear to be too expensive.
If you're looking for 12" female action figures with a fantasy look, wonder woman is an option.
Queen Gorgo does have a 7-inch action figure, and she looks great for a colossal titan, if there were such such a thing. The elder titans from the Epic Level Handbook is 75 feet tall (three times the height of a regular titan),and would thus need a 15" figure. The regular titan is only huge, only 25 feet tall, and would therefore need only a 5" figure. Maybe there's some titan between the fully-advanced 60-hit die titan (which advances to gargantuan and would take a 6" figure) and the 70-hit-die beginning elder titan needing a 15" figure. In any case, Gorgo's far too refined for a mountain giant! :-D
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It turns out that the 7" She Hulk is only 6.5", while the two allegedly 8" regular Hulks are actually 10". That would be like a 5-foot-tall woman giving birth to boys who grew up to be just over 7'6". It's possible, especially with a tall dad, but not that likely. I need to see if the 10" ones will fit on the 6x6 paper cutouts I made the last time I used colossal creatures. I do see a different Hulk figure that's supposed to be 8", and I'm still waiting for the gladiator Hulk that's 8". I didn't want the sons to tower over the father. I see there another 8" Hulk figure, as I said, so I might get two of those, or just stick with the 10" ones to conserve cash.
Wow, I completely fell asleep right here in my chair at the computer for maybe 90 minutes. I woke up three minutes before my online tutoring shift ended. Wow, I fell asleep again in the middle of writing this. Boy, am I tired! I just went back through and tried to proofread everything. I hope it all makes sense!
If you don't mind going a very different route, LEGO has buildable Marvel, DC, and Star Wars characters that are typically about 9" tall and $25. Here's Rey as an example. Taller characters, like Darth Vader, Chewbacca, or Hulk, can be up to 11" tall and $30-$40 each. As construction toys, they're easy to modify by changing parts, and all are highly posable.
The armatures for these models are based on parts originally designed for the now-retired Hero Factory theme, which had characters and creatures of many different sizes and body shapes. You may be able to find some of those available from online resellers. The Legends of Chima theme also had a few large anthropomorphic animals in this style.
Thanks for the additional ideas, Tim! Wow, that's one ugly Rey, huh? I bet the actress isn't too happy with that! :-D That's made from Legos? I'd never heard of The Legends of Chima before, but they do look like little Lego creatures.
The largest creature in the Epic Level Handbook, I believe, is the Xixicel, an abomination that's sort of like a walking glacier. It starts at 100 feet tall, so you'l need a 20" figure to represent the smallest one! :-D
Addendum: I just compared my three gargantuan dragon figures to the 6.5" Lady Hulk, and they pretty much dwarf her. They fit on their 4x4 bases, but are pretty much crammed in, protruding all over. They're probably more on the border between gargantuan and colossal. If I put them on a colossal square, they still protrude a bit. I think part of the problem is that dragons are big for their size catetory. The d20 SRD mentions that a great wrym can be 100 feet long, but to fit into a 6x6 square it has to be coiled up quite a bit. Alas I have bipedal gargantuan figures to compare her with.
The 10" Hulks do look reasonably big compared to the gargantuan dragons, so I might use them as the sons. I'm worried now that the 8" gladiator Hulk is going to seem too small for really colossal.
I can't see a way to add again to my last post Is there a limit to the number of times you can edit a post?
I got the allegedly 9" gladiator Hulk. He's not bad, but the allegedly 8" Hulks, which are actually 10", dwarf him because he's actually only 8". So I ordered a different 10" Hulk to be the father mountain giant. Now all four should be 10", although the forthcoming 10" looks like it might actually be a little taller, and I haven't gotten the 10" She Hulk yet. :-D
If you get all the figurines, could you post a few pictures somewhere just to give us an impression of the size? It would be nice to see the relative size of the gladiator as well.
If you get all the figurines, could you post a few pictures somewhere just to give us an impression of the size? It would be nice to see the relative size of the gladiator as well.
I was thinking of that, but I wasn't sure if anyone would be interested. I'm in the middle of my Wednesday morning grading, so I'll probably just wait and do it after the larger She Hulk figure arrives so that you can almost all of them next to each other. :-) Thanks for asking!
I took pictures, but how to I upload them here?
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These boards don't allow you to upload pictures. So you will have to post them somewhere else and create a link.
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For very large bases, I suggest looking in craft stores like Michael's and Joann's for circular or wooden bases in the right size.
Looking online is tricky (search engines want to give you ceramic tiles or flooring), but just for one quick thing--I I have used these cork 6" square tiles for colossal bases. The cork once covered in terrain is pretty solid, plus it makes it easy to pin the figure to the base. These tiles are often much cheaper than "official game bases" (a pack of the cork tiles is $2.50, compared to $13 for a "base" sold by a miniatures company). You can find circular as well as square (I know a lot of people tend to prefer circular for aesthetics; I often use square bases as players get less "creative" with placing minis with square bases as it's clearer when a square base is over a border or not).
I also want to echo that Reaper has plenty of figures that fit onto 6" bases, and it's best just to search the site for the type of monster you want, than link specific ones. Like, if you want a dragon, they have loads of dragons (and their Bones ones are relatively cheap).
I also agree with using toys, and Dollar Stores and the like are good places to look for very cheap toys that can be converted to a miniature. (IIRC, I believe how the D&D world ended up with the rust monster and the bulette is Gary Gygax and friends bought a cheap pack of plastic toy monsters and assigned weird stats to the critters they didn't recognize).
For not super-cheap but not super-expensive dragons of very large size, I strongly suggest Safari's figurines (they have other good ones as well). Those would fit well on a 6" base. These are of course, as toys, prepainted, but you can repaint them (I've not tried stripping them) if you want, or add to the painting with extra details/washes.
Also, as an aside, Safari's smaller figurines that come in "Toobs" are also great for smaller miniatures, especially animals (great way to get a collection of horses and jungle animals, etc.). The "Toob" minis aren't proportionally consistent in size (they will have a clownfish the same size as a horse), but even that can be useful (their human figurines can be used as ogres, the insects used as giant insects, etc.).
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You can get proper gargantuan or colossal bases from Litko. They work quite well.
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The point I was making was that craft tiles are far cheaper and work just as well. But hey, if you want to spend $13 instead of $2 for a flat square or circle, do what makes you happy!
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I do and I did. I wasn't addressing your post, just throwing that out for the group. :)
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I actually like the fact that toys have no base. This makes it a lot easier to fit them into the terrain, because the large bases get in the way.
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The litko bases had been already mentioned several times upthread.
Mr Vergee, the only problem with not using a base is it makes it harder to calculate reach.
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I usually ignore everything Brother Fen posts, so that's fair.
Dungeon Crawler has been trying to get a colossal figure out for a couple years now, hoping to see a good Tarrasque stand in finally. The Kraken was a good effort, and while not perfect I am happy to have it for my pirate campaigns.
This is a pretty good sized stand-in for gargantuan creatures, or colossal if you remember to count the adjacent squares as its space. (Warning, creepy crawly bug in link.)
Wow, this has turned into a great discussion in my absence! I should go away more often! :-D
Okay, let me try a couple of links were the photos are posted in a Facebook group. I don't know if you can see them if you're not a member. (It's Dicefreaks, for anyone who remembers those guys from 3.0 and 3.5 days). I have a feeling that this won't work, but here goes.
[url=https://www.facebook.com/photo.phpfbid=2292512887444692&set=p.2292512887444692&type=3&theater&ifg=1.
I got the other 10" Hulk, for the father mountain giant, and a 12" Thor, to stand in for, well, Thor. :-D When I get a chance I'll take a picture or two of them with some other figures. They really didn't make the Thor muscley enough, so even 2" inches (10') taller, he's not nearly as broad at 10" Hulk.
There are some taller Thor figures, or statues even, but they're very pricey and mostly either not yet available or no longer available. As I recall, there's a 17" one, which would represent 85' tall, and then a couple of different 25.5" ones, which I think would be 127.5' tall. So far as I know, the tallest official creature is the xixecal, at 100' tall.
Speaking of the xixecal, does anyone have any great ideas for a figure that could represent it? The figure would ideally be around 20" tall.
As for the base, I actually have the cheapest of all--four 6x6 squares cut out of notebook paper. :-D Some years ago when the party fought two ancient and two wrym red dragons. I have to admit though that I've had my eye on those round, black, acrylic based from LItko. Amazon does sell them for $13, but Litko sells them for $4. (Litko also has round wooden ones for $4).
The cork ones at Michaels go for only $2.50 each, but the rub is that they come on 12-packs, so you have to spent at least $30. You could get four acrylic ones from Litko for $16.
Most of these figures stand pretty well on their own, so I doubt I'd glue anything to a base. The base would just serve to show which square the mountain giant occupies. So I could just use the paper ones, although I have to admit that the black acrylic looks pretty good. :-D
What's with all the 8x8 figures? Why doesn't anyone make a 6x6 figure?
The specific monster I'm looking for is a colossal giant, but that's essentially just a really, really big human in appearance, thus the resort to action figures. I have neither the patience nor the manual dexterity to paint anything myself! :-D
Thanks everyone for all the great suggestions. I saw somewhere that someone had made himself a xixecal figure, which I think you might be able to see at [url=http://www.necrotales.com/opengraphics/Xixecal.jpg[/url] . http://www.necrotales.com/opengraphics/Xixecal.jpg
The xixecal has a 50' space, so it would need a 10x10 base. Does anyone make one of those? :-D
P.S. Sorry I can't seem to get the urls to work out quite right.
I think there are a lot of 8 x 8 figures because when Dungeons and Dragons released the Colossal Red Dragon miniature, it was on a 8 x 8 base and led some people to believe that Colossal creatures occupied 8 squares when in actuality the figure was oversized and should have been 6 squares. I know it confused me for a while until I looked more closely at the stat blocks.
What's with all the 8x8 figures? Why doesn't anyone make a 6x6 figure?
For oversized bases for a mini you like, you can saw the mini off of the base and glue it to one of the correct size.
Speaking of the xixecal, does anyone have any great ideas for a figure that could represent it? The figure would ideally be around 20" tall.
For something THAT tall, it would be hard to find for a reasonable price. I tried looking up "ice monsters" and the like (even Marshmallow from Frozen) and couldn't find more than about 6" tall. Most 20" figures are special collectible figurines and priced accordingly.
You might be better off sculpting one, which would be time consuming but not too hard. Slap some pointy layers of clay and sculpting putty onto an armature and paint it blue/white.
The xixecal has a 50' space, so it would need a 10x10 base. Does anyone make one of those?
A single one for $4: https://woodcrafter.com/plywood-squares/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7IuZ0avZ3gIVhgOG Ch0nowbQEAQYAiABEgLahPD_BwE
(Click on 10 inch and then 1/8" of an inch for thickness.)The cork ones at Michaels go for only $2.50 each, but the rub is that they come on 12-packs, so you have to spent at least $30. You could get four acrylic ones from Litko for $16.
You can buy just one (I have done so; that website is weird).
The cork squares were an example, and I probably shouldn't have posted it at all, I was just trying to make an illustration and failed. As I noted, I was having trouble running a search for wooden tiles because I kept getting floor tiles. I have better luck just going to the stores and looking for them.
(Of course if that isn't an option, that's its own problem.)
Cardboard/paper works! So do plastic math tiles that I've glued together... and unadorned coasters... and plastic lids... And bulk isn't bad if you have multiple projects going your way...
If this is not your thing, it really is okay. I just want to be sure the message is clear in case it is useful.
It is also good to know direct ordering from Litko is a better option for their products.
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Wow, this has turned into a great discussion in my absence! I should go away more often! :-D
Okay, let me try a couple of links were the photos are posted in a Facebook group. I don't know if you can see them if you're not a member. (It's Dicefreaks, for anyone who remembers those guys from 3.0 and 3.5 days). I have a feeling that this won't work, but here goes.
[url=https://www.facebook.com/photo.phpfbid=2292512887444692&set=p.2292 512887444692&type=3&theater&ifg=1.
I don't know if it's just me, but these links don't work for me … and I'm really interested in seeing the comparison.
I don't know if it's just me, but these links don't work for me … and I'm really interested in seeing the comparison.Wow, this has turned into a great discussion in my absence! I should go away more often! :-D
Okay, let me try a couple of links were the photos are posted in a Facebook group. I don't know if you can see them if you're not a member. (It's Dicefreaks, for anyone who remembers those guys from 3.0 and 3.5 days). I have a feeling that this won't work, but here goes.
[url=https://www.facebook.com/photo.phpfbid=2292512887444692&set=p.2292 512887444692&type=3&theater&ifg=1.
I'd really like to show them to you. Can you think of a good place to upload them for each access?
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I don't know if it's just me, but these links don't work for me … and I'm really interested in seeing the comparison.Wow, this has turned into a great discussion in my absence! I should go away more often! :-D
Okay, let me try a couple of links were the photos are posted in a Facebook group. I don't know if you can see them if you're not a member. (It's Dicefreaks, for anyone who remembers those guys from 3.0 and 3.5 days). I have a feeling that this won't work, but here goes.
[url=https://www.facebook.com/photo.phpfbid=2292512887444692&set=p.2292 512887444692&type=3&theater&ifg=1.
Its not just you.
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I'd really like to show them to you. Can you think of a good place to upload them for each access?
Well, I'm on DeviantArt, it's free and they don't bother me with spam at all. I like it.
I'd really like to show them to you. Can you think of a good place to upload them for each access?Well, I'm on DeviantArt, it's free and they don't bother me with spam at all. I like it.
Great idea! I've often views comic book art there without even having an account! I sent an account and uploaded the best two of the pictures I took. Let me know what you think.
Also, so you want to see one with the 12" Thor by comparison?
Let's see if these work:
Okay, think those work.
Yep, they work. They look fine for mum, dad, son and daughter. Can't wait to see what you do with them. You'd be amazed what a piece of sheet or towel soaked in white glue and water can do to make some clothes. It's cheap, easy and quite effective. Good luck crafting.
That's a cool idea, re: the clothes.
Alas, my Hulks will have to come as you are, as the old invitations used to say back in the days when people didn't really expect you to show up half naked. :-D I have no skills at making clothing for figures. Fortunately they're all clothed, more or less.
I need to take some photos of the 12" Thor with the 10" Hulks and so forth. On top of my working 70 hours a week, I had to sit in the DMV for several hours to get my driver's license renewed. Fortunately I seem to have developed a facility for napping while sitting up. :-D
Okay, I finally had a few minutes to photograph my 12" Thor and the newest 10" Hulk (to play the father mountain giant). The Hulk's very close in size to the other two 10" Hulks, so I didn't bring them out, but I used the medium-sized Green Lantern, the large silver dragon, the huge platinum dragon, and the titanic (colossal+) red dragon to show relative size.
https://www.deviantart.com/uzzieltheangel/art/Thor-Hulk-Green-Lantern-Red-D ragon-776988723?ga_submit_new=10%3A1545001748&ga_type=edit&ga_chang es=1
https://www.deviantart.com/uzzieltheangel/art/Thor-Hulk-Green-Lantern-and-C olossal-Red-Dragon-776987935
Thor makes a very fine titan, gargantuan size. It is funny to see the truly impressive red dragon reduced to what looks like a small dragon compared to the two figures next to it.
It's odd that mountain giants are colossal at 40' tall, which is 8". The Hulk figure here is 10" or 50'. The Thor figure is 12", so 60'. It is a bit weird considering that the official size categories treat gargantuan as 32 ft. to 64 ft. The weight range for gargantuan runs from 16 tons to 125 tons, while the mountain giant, at 50,000 pounds, is only 25 tons. I'd guess that whoever wrote the mountain giant description wanted a colossal giant but didn't remember the colossal size minimums.
The red dragon figure, on the other extreme, is 8" x 8", while colossal starts at 6" x 6", so it's a bit oversized for colossal. I've seen a couple of d20 products that introduced another size range above colossal, and for one of them, it's called titanic, and would include the 8" x 8" red dragon. I think for the other one it's bigger, and I forgot the name.
Of course a xixecal at colossal is even larger, 100 ft. (20") tall and 10" by 10". I found a Hulkbuster armor toy that's 22" tall that I think might make a great xixecal! I also found a 19.3" Thor figure that's not too pricey that could stand in for Thor at maximum size using the alter size divine salient ability. He's still be a couple of inches shorter than the xixecal, but they might not even summon him to deal with it. :-D
If I get them I'll take more photos. I'm thinking of getting a medium-sized Heroclix Thor for if and when they first gate him in. :-)
Oh, it's in Mythic Monsters where I found another size category about colossal, called kaiju. Pathfinder's average guargantuan for a small creature, however, is only 30 feet tall, and average colossal is only 40 feet tall. The average tall kajiu they have at 60'. Hmm. The bases for tall creatures are also smaller, with colossal at 4" x 4" and kaiju at 6" x 6". Hmm.