Harm Undead feat vs. Incoporal Undead


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How does the harm undead feat work if used against an incoporal undead.

Do incoporal undead take full damage save for half or half damage save for one quarter?


Can you link to the feat or copy and paste the wording here?


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balakus01 wrote:

How does the harm undead feat work if used against an incoporal undead.

Do incoporal undead take full damage save for half or half damage save for one quarter?

Full damage, save for half. Harm Undead is not a kinetic attack or an energy attack, but it does do damage, which means incorporeal offers absolutely no protection against it. In fact, due to the wording on Harm Undead, I believe it will work even without LOS, LOE, or the Mystic being aware the undead is present.

p157 wrote:
When you use your healing channel, you can expend a mystic spell slot of the highest level you can cast to also deal damage equal to the amount you heal to all undead foes in the area. The undead can attempt a Will save for half damage, at your usual connection power DC.
p264 wrote:
It is immune to all nonmagical kinetic attacks. All energy attacks and magical kinetic attacks deal half damage (50%) to it. An incorporeal creature takes full damage from other incorporeal creatures and effects, as well as from all force effects. Corporeal spells and effects that do not cause damage have only a 50% chance of affecting an incorporeal creature. An incorporeal creature is immune to critical hits.

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quindraco wrote:
balakus01 wrote:

How does the harm undead feat work if used against an incoporal undead.

Do incoporal undead take full damage save for half or half damage save for one quarter?

Full damage, save for half. Harm Undead is not a kinetic attack or an energy attack, but it does do damage, which means incorporeal offers absolutely no protection against it. In fact, due to the wording on Harm Undead, I believe it will work even without LOS, LOE, or the Mystic being aware the undead is present.

p157 wrote:
When you use your healing channel, you can expend a mystic spell slot of the highest level you can cast to also deal damage equal to the amount you heal to all undead foes in the area. The undead can attempt a Will save for half damage, at your usual connection power DC.
p264 wrote:
It is immune to all nonmagical kinetic attacks. All energy attacks and magical kinetic attacks deal half damage (50%) to it. An incorporeal creature takes full damage from other incorporeal creatures and effects, as well as from all force effects. Corporeal spells and effects that do not cause damage have only a 50% chance of affecting an incorporeal creature. An incorporeal creature is immune to critical hits.

Ah, I missed the lack of what time of damage it is when I looked at it.

Sounds good to me, unless it gets errata'd.

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