Natural Armor Bonuses and stacking

[godsDMit]

Ive got a half-orc barbarian character currently with the Ironhide feat, an Amulet of Natural Armor +1, and the Beast Totem Rage Power(granting +2 NA cause of his level).

From my understanding of NA bonus stacking, my character will have a total of +2 NA while not raging, and a +3NA while raging.

Is that correct?

Im under the impression that an enhancement bonus to his NA from the amulet and a regular bonus like from either the feat or rage power will stack, but that two regular bonuses like the feat and rage power wouldnt stack with each other.

Thanks for the help!

[hogarth]

godsDMit wrote:

I'm under the impression that an enhancement bonus to his NA from the amulet and a regular bonus like from either the feat or rage power will stack, but that two regular bonuses like the feat and rage power wouldnt stack with each other.

That is my understanding, too.

[godsDMit]

Cool.

Magical bonuses of the same type wouldnt stack under the same general 'no same bonuses' rule, right? So if someone cast Barkskin on him, I would then not be getting the bonus from the amulet, since they are both magical bonuses, despite one being from an item and one being a spell?

[Xraal]

hogarth wrote:

godsDMit wrote:

I'm under the impression that an enhancement bonus to his NA from the amulet and a regular bonus like from either the feat or rage power will stack, but that two regular bonuses like the feat and rage power wouldnt stack with each other.

That is my understanding, too.

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[hogarth]

Xraal wrote:

hogarth wrote:

godsDMit wrote:

I'm under the impression that an enhancement bonus to his NA from the amulet and a regular bonus like from either the feat or rage power will stack, but that two regular bonuses like the feat and rage power wouldnt stack with each other.

That is my understanding, too.

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There is a difference between "inherent/untyped" NA bonuses and enhancement NA bonuses.

All the untyped ones stack like crazy.

Wait...what? That's not my interpretation.

• There are two types of bonuses: natural armor bonuses and enhancement bonuses to natural armor. Those stack, just like armor bonuses and enhancement bonuses to armor. E.g. a +1 suit of plate armor has an armor bonus of (+9) + (+1) = +10, and a lizardman with a necklace of natural armor +1 has a natural armor bonus of (+5) + (+1) = +6.
  
• Natural armor bonuses don't stack with each other, whether they're "untyped" or not. For instance, a lizardfolk using the Beast Totem rage power would have a +5 natural armor bonus; the +1 natural armor bonus from Beast Totem doesn't add on.
  
• The borderline case is with something like the Dragon Disciple class. The Dragon Disciple's natural armor increase is "an increase to the character's existing natural armor". So does that also stack with the DD's natural armor if he uses the Beast Totem rage power? I would say "no", since the Beast Totem natural armor isn't his "existing" natural armor, but ask your GM. So for a human with 6 levels of barbarian and one level of Dragon Disciple, he'd have +1 natural armor when not raging (from dragon disciple only) and +2 when raging (from beast totem only).

[Xraal]

I just had a quick re-read of the Natural Armor rules... You are correct!

Sorry for any confusion.

EDIT: I have destroyed the false information lest it corrupt weaker minds. Shame on me for posting such garbage.

[hogarth]

Xraal wrote:

I just had a quick re-read of the Natural Armor rules... You are correct!

Sorry for any confusion.

As I noted, there are borderline cases where people would disagree with my interpretation, so take my comments with a grain of salt!