Appropriate character?


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So, I really, really want to play a Red Mantis Assassin, and have been able to 'logic' playing them in some other games, (even going so far as to think of a decent idea for Hell's Rebels, but I'm running it, so not really able to there) but was wondering if you all, developers/authors and the brain trust of the forums felt a Red Mantis Assassin could fit in with this AP?

As a side note, the Hell's Rebels RMA idea was that this particular devotee of Achaekek felt that the Thrunes had no 'legitimate' right to the nation, and that 'technically' Iomadae should have sway over the nation (being Aroden's chosen herald, and then his technical successor)


This is just my two cents, but I'd say a Red Mantis character would fit this AP best precisely because they saw Queen Abrogail as the legitimate ruler of Cheliax. When King Gaspodar died without leaving an heir or naming a successor, the crown was essentially up for grabs in the civil war. House Thrune won the war (admittedly by making a pact with Hell), so their rule is the rightful one.

It's also worth noting that Aroden never actually ruled Cheliax at any point in history. It was the primary seat of his religion on Golarian, and Gaspodar planned to abdicate the throne and government to Aroden in 4606 AR so he could rule in person, but he died before any of that could happen, so he never rightfully ruled Cheliax. From a strictly legal point of view, Iomedae has no claim of rulership over Cheliax, because while she was his chosen herald and inheritor, she never inherited the throne of Cheliax from him, because Aroden never held it in the first place.

Now, not that you can't play it the way you want, but the big taboo for Achaekek's followers is that they can't assassinate a rightful ruler. If your character sees a member of the Glorious Reclamation as having a mandate from Iomedae to rule in her name, that means that by opposing them you could potentially be setting yourself up for blasphemy in the eyes of the Mantis god and the rest of the cult.


Yeah, I'll second what Bob says - The Red Mantis would view Queen Abrogail as the rightful ruler of Cheliax, and thus would never take direct action against her.

If the Glorious Reclamation leader actually won and became ruler of Cheliax, then that would change. But the Red Mantis's attitude is based on whoever is the current sovereign of an area.

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