cartmanbeck
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Yeah, it's very easy now to have a BAB +0, insane saves, and level 1 casting in tons of magic types.
What's more interesting is coming up with a character who never takes more than a single level in any given class, but at level 20 can actually be useful. I've built that one before, though there are now more options that I bet could make him even more useful. The only thing that isn't legal is the VERY LAST level, Low Templar 1, because it requires Mounted Combat which I wasn't able to fit into the build.
I was able to end up with a BAB +14, three different types of casting (Cleric 3, Wizard 2, and Bard 1), and base saves of +22/+8/+17. I'll put a link to the build here, and would love some critiques on ways to improve it with more recent class options.
| pulseoptional |
trivial status notwithstanding, its more just trying to make something useful out of it with the lowest BAB. yes, i know we're talking about a combat heavy game, so you either have to have the highest attack bonus on the most attacks, or be able to cast the biggest baddest spells on the block. i guess the whole "fun > power" idea is more prevalent here than in other builds.
| Shiroi |
Yeah definitely more for fun and flavor than power gaming. But I feel like so far a Rogue 1, Vivisectionist Alchemist 1, and a third party Scout I found all offer 1d6 sneak or similar at level 1. Is it possible to get 20d6 sneak damage (19 plus the accomplished sneak attacker feat) on a lvl 1 kineticist to get an at will 30' 21d6 touch attack? I'm sure sneak is an option for some archetypes of other classes, if you really dig for it. The 0 bab is gonna be painful, but if you can reliably hit touch AC by level 20 it becomes pretty easy to hit high cr monsters with a touch attack +6 for your basic stat anyways. Add the kinetic diadem for 3d6 more...
| pulseoptional |
Yeah definitely more for fun and flavor than power gaming. But I feel like so far a Rogue 1, Vivisectionist Alchemist 1, and a third party Scout I found all offer 1d6 sneak or similar at level 1. Is it possible to get 20d6 sneak damage (19 plus the accomplished sneak attacker feat) on a lvl 1 kineticist to get an at will 30' 21d6 touch attack? I'm sure sneak is an option for some archetypes of other classes, if you really dig for it. The 0 bab is gonna be painful, but if you can reliably hit touch AC by level 20 it becomes pretty easy to hit high cr monsters with a touch attack +6 for your basic stat anyways. Add the kinetic diadem for 3d6 more...
i was considering trying to figure out how much SA abuse we could get going with this, and was oddly enough considering using Kintecist as the main attack mode. its just the matter of all the digging and whatnot with archetypes for the most queso possible.
| pulseoptional |
so, looking through the SRD last night, i started pulling some of the classes together. im just kind of stuck on the order now. im not on my home computer ATM, so i dont have what im working on at hand.
as far as feats and traits, ive hit another brick wall aside from Accomplished Sneak Attacker (seeing as how this seems to be the best way to go.) im thinking a heavy focus on Bluff and Disguise for the skill route seems to be the best way to go from an RP standpont, and UMD from an actual usefulness standpoint.
| Shiroi |
I'm going to pull an assist on feats and say eldritch heritage line doesn't seem to penalize bab problems. Could be useful with the right bloodline.
Boon companion is good if you have several familiars or animal companions, to be an army of level 5ish mooks. If your levels can stack you could possibly get a level 20 companion (though most likely not at the same time as 20d6 sneak).
There's a feat that lets you add sneak dice to poison saves instead, though I can't find it atm. +20 to a poison save DC can be absolutely vicious, especially with a few other similar abilities.
Things to help you sneak well, or feint well, are not bad on a build that *require* sneak to function at all. I'd have both.
Sap master and sap adept. If I have to say anything else, I've had to say too much.
... except maybe to say "sap adept, sap master, +40 poison DCs."