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Hey all. We have these house rules on the Rogue (we have no separate ninja class)
What do you people think?
Rogue: As a basis. Use the ‘unchained’ rogue. The following adjustments apply:
Level 1: The rogue may choose the ninja’s ‘poison use’ instead of ‘trapfinding’
Level 2: The rogue may choose the ninja’s ‘ki pool’ instead of ‘evasion’
Level 2 (and up): The Rogue may take Ninja Tricks for Rogue Talents and Advanced Ninja Tricks for Advanced Rogue Talents.
Level 3: The rogue may choose the ninja’s ‘no trace’ instead of ‘danger sense’
Level 4: The rogue may permanently forgo ‘debilitating injury’ to change either the fortitude or the will save to a strong save. If the rogue chooses this feature, the chosen save immediately changes from +1 to +4, and thereafter progresses as a strong save for the rogue class levels.
Level 6: The rogue may choose either the ninja’s ‘light steps’ ability, or gain the ‘lightfooted stride’ ability, as described here.
Light-footed Stride: The rogue may treat difficult terrain due to crowds, rubble, furniture, mud, sand, snow, ice, pillars, tree trunks, or any undergrowth lower than half his size as if it is normal terrain, permanently. The rogue still needs to see his target or know for certain where his target is to charge through such terrain. Terrain that has magically been enchanted to impede movement, still hinders the rogue.
Level 20: The rogue may choose the ninja’s ‘hidden master’ instead of ‘master strike’
Please note that if choosing any of these options these makes you lack any of the abilities a certain archetype replaces, you cannot take that archetype.
There's a pretty good discussion on homebrewing an unchained ninja here.
Hey all. We have these house rules on the Rogue (we have no separate ninja class)
What do you people think?
Rogue: As a basis. Use the ‘unchained’ rogue. The following adjustments apply:
The following are just FYIs; you can do as you like and probably have a better sense as to what house rules work for your table:
Level 1: The rogue may choose the ninja’s ‘poison use’ instead of ‘trapfinding’
You could also apply the poisoner archetype.
Level 2: The rogue may choose the ninja’s ‘ki pool’ instead of ‘evasion’
Rogues can also take ki pool as a rogue talent, although they cannot use it to get extra attacks. Since your idea seems to use this ability minimally, you could have the rogue take the ki pool rogue talent at level 2 so as not to give up Evasion, which in my personal experience at least, is incredibly useful.
Level 2 (and up): The Rogue may take Ninja Tricks for Rogue Talents and Advanced Ninja Tricks for Advanced Rogue Talents.
Rogues are already allowed to do this.
Level 3: The rogue may choose the ninja’s ‘no trace’ instead of ‘danger sense’
Level 4: The rogue may permanently forgo ‘debilitating injury’ to change either the fortitude or the will save to a strong save. If the rogue chooses this feature, the chosen save immediately changes from +1 to +4, and thereafter progresses as a strong save for the rogue class levels.
As IIRC Ninjas don't get a second good save either, this seems neither thematic nor an equal tradeoff.
Level 6: The rogue may choose either the ninja’s ‘light steps’ ability, or gain the ‘lightfooted stride’ ability, as described here.
Light-footed Stride: The rogue may treat difficult terrain due to crowds, rubble, furniture, mud, sand, snow, ice, pillars, tree trunks, or any undergrowth lower than half his size as if it is normal terrain, permanently. The rogue still needs to see his target or know for certain where his target is to charge through such terrain. Terrain that has magically been enchanted to impede movement, still hinders the rogue.
I can't off the top of my head see what kind of difficult terrain the lightfooted stride ability actually CAN'T ignore, according to your list, and I can see arguments at the table about what does or doesn't count. And as such, this ability becomes more powerful than certain feats (Nimble Steps and Acrobatic Steps, which ignores difficult terrain for a short distance) and high-ish level class abilities (it is better than the 7th level ranger's Woodland Stride, which is limited to one type of terrain).
It's also a bit overcomplex. The existing Light Steps ability I think accomplishes thematically what you want anyway. Otherwise you might have the rogue choose a single type of terrain and model it after class abilities like Woodland Stride.
Level 20: The rogue may choose the ninja’s ‘hidden master’ instead of ‘master strike’
Please note that if choosing any of these options these makes you lack any of the abilities a certain archetype replaces, you cannot take that archetype.
A lot of the rest of the above not commented upon could be rewritten into a formal archetype. That then makes it easier to check for balance etc. Yes, this means it's harder to stack with other archetypes, but given the base ninja already couldn't take most archetypes, that's also appropriate.