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Freehold DM wrote:
you can only sell CCA schlock for so long before it gets old. The rise of Japanese animation proved that. That said you can only sell gritty realism for so long before it gets old. Lumberjanes and similar comics are proof of that.

Fifty years is nothing to sneeze at. I hope we don't have to slog through fifty years of the gritty crap.

As for Schlock?? The entire marvel and DC empire was built on the back of the CCA. Now that it's gone?? They're losing audiences like mad and struggling to reach new customers.

One of the things I hear all the time is that kids don't care about comics... but at the same time there aren't any comics for kids anymore. Everywhere I look I see Spider-man, Batman and Avengers merchandise on everything a kid owns.... so obviously the characters still appeal.

The companies have abandoned reaching for the next generation.... and with the constant reboots and character assassinations they've abandoned the older core fanbase too...

I'm not even sure WHO they think they're trying to reach... but the numbers just aren't there.

Struggling like mad? As much as I hate Deadpool, he is one of the most popular characters I have ever seen and his movie is incredibly successful. Fifty years is all well and good, but it is also a time period of incredible length. It could only last for so long. And yes, as the jeff points out, doing the same thing and selling it to the same audience is a recipe for disaster as infinity approaches zero(or whatever the proper terminology is).


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Matthew Morris wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

I was rereading New Mutants the other day...

I forgot how much I enjoyed "spotlight" issues where it wasn't some big bad, but things like bringing the girlfriend home to mom, or bonding between mother and adopted daughter, or just them being friends. I miss that in comics. Maybe that is why I like Superdad so much.

have i got a story for you...
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I was working at NYCC and going through artists alley and who do I find?

Chris Claremont doing autographs for 5 bucks.

So I go home and get my X-Women and have him autograph it for 5 bucks. I think I'm winning and on top of the world.

The path I take back to my own booth reveals that Bob McLeod, co-creator of the New Mutants is there. While I thanked Claremont for his work on New Mutants, I didn't know McLeod was there, and there was NO LINE FOR HIM WHATSOEVER, so I went over and thanked him and shook his hand. I went back to work, even MORE on top of the world.

A booth away from mine, a comic book retailer is selling an old, well beloved copy of New Mutants #1 for $10.00.

TEN. DOLLARS.

I pull out a Hamilton, and rush back to artists alley and have my copy of New Mutants #1 autographed by the creators of the series. I even get a picture of McLeod signing it.

It was truly a great day....And that's before I get into meeting Cully Hamner and Brian Stelfreeze, who autograph my Green Lantern Mosaic #1 and #5, which I may have mentioned earlier are two of the most important comics to me, ever.

This NYCC was more than just a job, it was a resounding success.

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Freehold, I have a similar story....

After Mark Waid had his run on Flash and did Kingdom Come, the guy who ran my then comic book store managed to snag Waid for a signing session. Maybe he did some others, but I don't know...

Anyway, I show up with a handful of issues to be signed, and there was no one else there. So I get him to sign what I brought, then I go back home and get everything else I had that he'd written, bring it back, and get him to sign that as well.


Freehold DM wrote:
Struggling like mad? As much as I hate Deadpool, he is one of the most popular characters I have ever seen and his movie is incredibly successful. Fifty years is all well and good, but it is also a time period of incredible length. It could only last for so long. And yes, as the jeff points out, doing the same thing and selling it to the same audience is a recipe for disaster as infinity approaches zero(or whatever the proper terminology is).

But as I also pointed out, the original plan was selling the same schlock to every new generation of audience and that worked better and longer than the "cater to our current older fans" approach has.

Although we also got some of the best comics ever done out of that approach. I think I hit just about the sweet spot for a comics fan. They kind of matured right along with me.

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I liked Jericho Drumm as Sorcerer Supreme in his all-too-brief series. The writing was decent. I really liked the art. Plus, there was Doctor Doom being all mystical and shit. I love it when they delve into Doom's mystical and shit side.

One of the little things I liked about it was the continuation of having a Doctor as the Sorcerer Supreme. Just a different type of doctor.

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Incidentally, I used to always love when they would write a story where Doctor Strange got to use his medical skills again. There was one Danny Ketch Ghost Rider story where he got to do that.

Danny had his throat ripped out by Blackout, and was stuck in Ghost Rider form. When GR was finally convinced to transform back to Danny, Doc Strange was on hand for a bit of emergency surgery.


I like the fact Doctor Strange is fighting the best of his rogues gallery at less than optimal stands.


Aberzombie wrote:

I liked Jericho Drumm as Sorcerer Supreme in his all-too-brief series. The writing was decent. I really liked the art. Plus, there was Doctor Doom being all mystical and s&%*. I love it when they delve into Doom's mystical and s$&! side.

One of the little things I liked about it was the continuation of having a Doctor as the Sorcerer Supreme. Just a different type of doctor.

indeed.

It was a good series. I doubt we will see the line again.


So apparently Baron Zemo isn't dead...

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Freehold DM wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:

I liked Jericho Drumm as Sorcerer Supreme in his all-too-brief series. The writing was decent. I really liked the art. Plus, there was Doctor Doom being all mystical and s&%*. I love it when they delve into Doom's mystical and s$&! side.

One of the little things I liked about it was the continuation of having a Doctor as the Sorcerer Supreme. Just a different type of doctor.

indeed.

It was a good series. I doubt we will see the line again.

Sadly, I agree. Instead, they brought back Doctor Strange with a crappy writer.


Aberzombie wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:

I liked Jericho Drumm as Sorcerer Supreme in his all-too-brief series. The writing was decent. I really liked the art. Plus, there was Doctor Doom being all mystical and s&%*. I love it when they delve into Doom's mystical and s$&! side.

One of the little things I liked about it was the continuation of having a Doctor as the Sorcerer Supreme. Just a different type of doctor.

indeed.

It was a good series. I doubt we will see the line again.

Sadly, I agree. Instead, they brought back Doctor Strange with a crappy writer.

although I believe we have disagreed on this in the past, there were a lot of people who were upset at a black guy taking strange's place, especially one linked to a religion that some equated(very erroneously) with devil worship and the like. I knew it wasn't going to last, no matter how good it was.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:

I liked Jericho Drumm as Sorcerer Supreme in his all-too-brief series. The writing was decent. I really liked the art. Plus, there was Doctor Doom being all mystical and s&%*. I love it when they delve into Doom's mystical and s$&! side.

One of the little things I liked about it was the continuation of having a Doctor as the Sorcerer Supreme. Just a different type of doctor.

indeed.

It was a good series. I doubt we will see the line again.

Sadly, I agree. Instead, they brought back Doctor Strange with a crappy writer.
although I believe we have disagreed on this in the past, there were a lot of people who were upset at a black guy taking strange's place, especially one linked to a religion that some equated(very erroneously) with devil worship and the like. I knew it wasn't going to last, no matter how good it was.

Possibly, and...well...those people are jacknuts. I think it's one thing to be angry when they replace a long existing character with a new, out-of-the-blue character. It can work, as with Hal Jordan to Kyle Rayner. Although that was probably assisted by their already having been other human alternatives to Hal. On the other hand, I don't think Azrael turned Batman was ever very popular.

A natural progression from one long-time character to another not-as-long-time character is just good storytelling, in my mind. Barry Allen to Wally West is one of the best examples. I also liked it when Dick Grayson took over as Batman, and wish they'd have kept it going. Even Sam Wilson taking over as Captain America makes perfect sense. He was a long-time partner and hero in his own right, well before he got the shield.


It is good storytelling Aber, but unfortunately not everyone sees it that way.

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Robert E. Howard's Savage Sword was an anthology series published by Dark Horse comics, starting in late 2010. They typically put out two issues a year. I have issues 1-9. Not sure if they ever actually put out issue 10, and I've never gotten around to looking for it.

Each issue was an 80 page anthology full of adaptations of various REH stories and characters: Conan, Solomon Kane, Bran Mak Morn, Kull, Dark Agnes, El Borak, Sailor Steve Costigan, Breckinridge Elkins, Brule, and others. A great addition to the library of any Howard fan.


Ah, Conan comics! Now that you brought it up, I'll never shut up.

Granted, I have no interest in this "Robert E. Howard's Savage Sword" you mention. I'm not a fan of Howard. But I have to tell you about the version of Conan of which I AM something of a fan: the Marvel Comics version, as written by Roy Thomas.

I remember back in the early 1990s getting into Conan comics just because I was looking for inspiration as a GM. But those comics did more than just inspire me; they got me hooked. For a year or two, I got Conan the Barbarian, The Savage Sword of Conan, and Conan Saga every month. (Conan Saga reprinted old issues of CtB, SSoC, and related titles.) I also got a few old back issues of CtB.

Flash forward to the current century. I read more than a dozen of Howard's Conan stories, and felt disappointed. Howard just didn't give me the sense of continuity that Thomas did. Nor did Dark Horse's series (the one that began in 2003, I think?) impress me, as it seemed to try so awkwardly to shoehorn Howard's stories into its own rather unconvincing story arcs. I thought: Wouldn't it be cool to start Thomas' chronological Conan saga from the beginning? So I started buying the "Chronicles of Conan", Dark Horse's trade-paperback reprint of the Marvel series. I bought and read Volume 1, then 2, then 3, and then 4. I was buying one whenever my interest brought me to do so. It came to a rate of 1 "Chronicles" volume every year, roughly.

After that, I thought: Is it really worth paying money for Volume 5, 6, etc? I already had most of the stuff from that era, thanks to Conan Saga and the back issues I had happened to get, over 20 years earlier. Surely I could simply take note of which issues I was missing and get those.

Well, let me tell you: Being such a cheapskate can be a lot of work! For a long time, I pored over those issues of Saga, trying to figure out which issues of CS reprinted which issues of CtB. Sometimes, the issue didn't say it clearly, or even say it at all. Some CS issues had a history of Conan, describing a chronology complete with issue citations of both CtB and their CS reprints... but that history had mistakes, sometimes giving the wrong CS issue number! I combed the internet looking for answers, but when different websites gave me contradictory information, how was I to know which source to believe? I wrote some messy notes, and worked hard on consolidating them into more organized ones. Also complicating the matter was some stories that I wanted despite never their having been technically printed in CtB, such as Conan's second meeting with Red Sonja. I mean... how could I possibly miss that?!?

And as a result of all that work, I ordered 6 back issues from mycomicshop.com. Upon getting them, I discovered what mistakes I had made. 2 of those issues WERE reprinted in CS issues I'd already had. What was worse, I missed an issue - an important one for continuity - and I couldn't even blame faulty sources for that! The mistake was entirely mine!

So I ordered 3 more issues - this time from Mile High - and reaped the reward of all my effort. Now I'm covered all the way through CtB #71. Whew! Now if I ever want to pick up from where I left off, I can simply get Chronicles of Conan Volume 10!

Yet after all that, I'm not 100% sure I'd want to pick up more of the Belit saga. I might be more interested in Conan's first meeting with Zenobia. I doubt I could get my hands on Giant-Size Conan, as it's way too rare and expensive, but I heard that Conan Saga reprinted that story. Then I could get volumes of The Chronicles of KING Conan. I always wondered what happened to Thoth-Amon after "The Phoenix on the Sword".

And you know what else I'd like to see? I heard that after Conan escaped from Numedides, before he came back to conquer Aquilonia, he befriended some Picts. I wonder if anyone ever wrote a story about that?

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The other night, just for shits and giggles, I watched The Wolverine. While I find the movie entertaining, it was a far cry from the comic story it was (VERY LOOSELY) based on.

Claremont and Miller's Wolverine in Japan story is, in my mind, one of the quintessential Wolverine stories. It's my favorite version of the character, the loner with lots of friends, the man with the mind and heart of a Ronin , but who outbursts of savagery showcase the beast that shares his soul.

Shingen was a great villain. Nothing superhuman about him. Just a ruthless crime lord, with extreme martial skills. And I loved The Hand being there, even if the way they are portrayed in this series clashes with later appearances in Wolverine stories.

The love story between Mariko and Logan was, in my opinion, elegant. It was a shame when they killed her off years later.

Anyway, I wish that had been the movie they made.


A-zombie,

I was going to say....what movie did you see when you saw the Wolverine. Because all I saw was Wolverine in a non-X-men movie that didn't do much...

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I've been (at the least) entertained by the X-men and Wolverine movies. I do think they'd be far superior if the franchise was back fully in the hands of Marvel/Disney.

Same with FF, only more so.

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Speaking of FF, I only collected that series for a short while. One of the better stories I recall was from issue 350, continuing into issue 352. Doom returns, claiming to have been away for years, and battles the FF. Hilarity ensues.

For me, it was an epic version of Doom. Mad revenge scheme. Using magic. Even showcasing his diplomatic side. If the folks making the FF movies had read those two issues, they could have learned how not to make Doom.

The battle through time between Reed and Doom in 352 was really awesome.


A-Zombie,

I don't recall that story line but I agree that if they had, they would have NOT made Doom the way they did in the bad reboot.

But yes, X-men deserves to go back to Marvel, (along with FF) because then I get X-men AND the Avengers fighting against Age of Apocalypse.

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"Before the dark times. Before the Empire."

That's how I like to think of the Batman corner of the DC Universe before Grant Morrison happened to it. Since then we've had the idiotic Doctor Hurt, the equally idiotic Batman of Zur-En-Arrh (not the original version, which was goofy but cool), the ressurected a*@$%$@ Jason Todd, and the arogant little douchebag Damian Wayne. And that's just the crap Morrison himself foisted on comics. Lest we forget 2014's Endgame story, with an immortal Joker. And didn't I hear something about them trying to introduce mutiple Joker's as well. Sheesh.

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And, yes, I know not everyone agrees with my assessment. Sucks to be you.


I don't blame Grant Morrison for three jokers. I might blame him a little for Damien but he's gotten better.

Mostly I think Grant Morrison isn't as bad as Nick Spencer.

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Yeah, I don't particularly blame Morrison for that nonsense with the Joker. In my thinking, though, a lot of the crap current started with his run.

Damien, though, is the flaming bag of crap that keeps showing up on my doorstep. He been showing up in Nightwing, and pretty soon he'll show up in Titans thanks to another godsawful crossover. And he's still an annoying, arrogant little ballsack who thinks he should be the one true heir to Batman. F~*$ that little shitbag. If anyone were to permanently take over the mantle of the Bat (not that DC has the balls to do it permanently) it should be Dick. No one else is worthy.

I've said before, however, that Morrison does have his moments of awesomeness. The White Martians and one of the greatest Darkseid stories ever written immediately come to mind. You may be correct about Nick Spencer. I'm not informed enough to say, since I refuse to buy anything he's allowed to touch.

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Aberzombie wrote:
Damien, though, [snip]

Preach it!

There are a lot of characters I knee-jerk dislike at first sight, like Rose Wilson or X-23, that end up making me eat my words when they turn out awesome.

And then there are characters like Quentin Quire or Damien, who earn my renewed dislike with every appearance...

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Well, I really like Quentin AND Damian. But then, I also think that Nick Spencer is one of the best writers they have at the moment and that I have a hard time finding people at the DC side of things that can hold a candle to him. Abnett's Aquaman and Rucka's Wonder Woman are the exceptions that come to my mind; I had high hopes for Tom King's Batman run after his ingenious Vision series, but find myself slightly disappointed; it's enjoyable but nothing exceptional. Which is generally how I see most Rebirth series. I generally like them, but if I would have to count my favorite Big Two comic series at the moment, apart from those I have named the rest would probably be Marvel ones.

And just before anyone asks: It's awesome to be me. ;)


Wormy,

I guess why I have a hard time on Nick Spencer is all this crap he's pulling down on himself. But I do admit, Damien has grown on me. Kind of.

Set,

Well if you REALLY hate Quentin then you'd best not read the latest issue of Mighty Thor. Or Generation X. (Which I still can't figure out why he's there and not some other students...)

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
I guess why I have a hard time on Nick Spencer is all this crap he's pulling down on himself.

Would you care to elaborate on that? Because of his political standpoint? Or because of something else?

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Or Generation X. (Which I still can't figure out why he's there and not some other students...)

I was first scratching my head too, because I thought the phrase "mutants that are not cut out to be a X-Man" was about their powers, and well, Quire has the potential to become the next Xavier. Or Magneto. But with ResurrXion all being about going back to the more positive roots of the X-Men I think that it's exactly this paradoxon that makes him so well suited for this comics. I have a feeling that this will be kinda the mutant version of Avengers Academy, because all those young mutants, if they don't learn to be proper X-Men, might probably end as villains.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Well if you REALLY hate Quentin then you'd best not read the latest issue of Mighty Thor.

I trust that writing team, so I'll spring for that one.

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Or Generation X. (Which I still can't figure out why he's there and not some other students...)

That, on the other hand, is a puzzler. So, so, SO, many amazing young mutants out there, not being used, from top tier New X-Men like Hellion and Dust, to also-rans like Anole and Indra, etc., etc. I would love to read more about Bling! or Nature Girl (about whom I know nothing more than that she's got a cool visual, being one of those rare women in comic books whose 'great rack' isn't on her chest), for instance, of those they did choose, but those other characters turn me off enough that I'm not gonna bother.

Eye Boy? Really? What, where Maggott, Phat, Rubbermaid, Gorgeous George and Adam the X-Treme busy?

As for Damian and Quentin, I'm a total hypocrite, in that I *love* teen and / or adult female characters like Monet or America Chavez that have that superior attitude and / or weapons-grade snark, but on boys not yet old enough to shave, I just think they need a spanking and to be sent to their room without supper.

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WormysQueue wrote:
But then, I also think that Nick Spencer is one of the best writers they have at the moment and that I have a hard time finding people at the DC side of things that can hold a candle to him.

Except for Cary Bates (Fall and Rise of Captain Atom), Dan Jurgens, James Tynion IV (Detective Comics), Joshua Williamson (Flash), Marc Andreyko (Death of Hawkman), Dan Abnett, Sarah Vaughn (the recent Deadman miniseries), Kevin Grevioux (Odyssey of the Amazons), Keith Giffen, and pretty much everyone working on the Kamandi Challenge series (including the oft-maligned Dan Didio).

And that's just off my own pull list. I would also say that folks like Scott Snyder and Grant Morrison (despite that I criticize them a lot) could write circles around Spencer.

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With regard to X-men, though, I stopped reading it years ago. So I don't know who many of the characters are and don't have big opinions on them. I do like to try and keep up with the major storylines, plot points, and character development as much as I can though.

Actually, come to think of it, I do that with a lot of stuff from Marvel and DC that I otherwise ignore. Although less frequently as time goes on. For example, I am vaguely aware of this America Chavez character, but only because she gets advertised in the Marvel Previews magazine I like to pick up. Beyond that, I don't care because she's not normally the kind of character that would appeal to me. Same with that new Mrs. Marvel. But I read up on the basic plots of Civil War II and some of the various X-stories, just to stay informed about stuff I used to collect.

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Aberzombie wrote:
WormysQueue wrote:
But then, I also think that Nick Spencer is one of the best writers they have at the moment and that I have a hard time finding people at the DC side of things that can hold a candle to him.

Except for Cary Bates (Fall and Rise of Captain Atom), Dan Jurgens, James Tynion IV (Detective Comics), Joshua Williamson (Flash), Marc Andreyko (Death of Hawkman), Dan Abnett, Sarah Vaughn (the recent Deadman miniseries), Kevin Grevioux (Odyssey of the Amazons), Keith Giffen, and pretty much everyone working on the Kamandi Challenge series (including the oft-maligned Dan Didio).

And that's just off my own pull list. I would also say that folks like Scott Snyder and Grant Morrison (despite that I criticize them a lot) could write circles around Spencer.

As a follow-up, Marvel itself has other writers who are probably far superior to Spencer. Just off the top of my head, you have Jeff Lemire doing awesome stuff with Moon Knight, Charles Soule working Daredevil, the recently added R.L. Stine writing Man-Thing, and James Robinson (Just picked up the first issue of Nick Fury he wrote. Great story, art needs work).

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Back to a bit of reminiscing. In all the many posts on this thread, I think the only time I mentioned the one that really started it all for me was briefly in the very first post......

Marvel's G.I. Joe.

It all started on a bright, sun-shiny day in Schwegmann's Grocery Store, back in late 1985 (probably September, when the issue came out, but it could have been closer to October), and G.I. Joe issue #39. I was helping my Granny out at the grocery store, and while she waited for her lunchmeat at the counter in the back of the store, I was allowed to go get some other items and stop by the magazine/comic/book section to look through stuff. She bought me that isse. The rest is history.

I have a large portion of the run (finally stopped collecting around mid-130s), including filling the back issues (still missing 13 of the first 17 issues). I'm determined to eventually finish my early issue collection, then may turn my attentions to later issues (just for completeness).

My younger brother and I were big fans of the cartoon and action figure line, but the comic was (in my eyes) far superior. It had more action/violence, more mature content, and actually showed people getting killed. That last bit was refreshing, insomuch as it felt like unlike the cartoon, the writers weren't treating us with kid gloves, so to speak.

Of course, my favorite character was Snake Eyes. Duh. There were others that I really liked, though. Roadblock was always awesome. Stalker kicked ass. Gung-Ho, Rock 'n Roll, and Clutch were more favorites. Scarlett, for me, was hit and miss - far superior to Lady Jaye, however. On the bad guy side, Storm Shadow was cool. So was Destro. Firefly was a dick, but an effective dick. Dr. Mindbender couldn't hold a candle to Dr. Venom. Cobra Commander was just 10 tons of crazy in a one ton bag.

At least one of the earlier issues was notable for trying to bring in non-Cobra enemies. Issue #4 had the Wingfield Para-military group (and journal writing by Snake Eyes!). Other than that, I think it was pretty much all Cobra. Which was cool, back then.

Larry Hama was an awesome writer. The art was mostly decent or pretty damned cool over the years. Issue #21, Silent Interlude, was probably one of the single greatest issues of any comic book ever. Overall, it was a series I enjoyed a great deal, and which will always hold a treasured place in my memories.

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Aberzombie wrote:

Except for Cary Bates (Fall and Rise of Captain Atom), Dan Jurgens, James Tynion IV (Detective Comics), Joshua Williamson (Flash), Marc Andreyko (Death of Hawkman), Dan Abnett, Sarah Vaughn (the recent Deadman miniseries), Kevin Grevioux (Odyssey of the Amazons), Keith Giffen, and pretty much everyone working on the Kamandi Challenge series (including the oft-maligned Dan Didio).

And that's just off my own pull list. I would also say that folks like Scott Snyder and Grant Morrison (despite that I criticize them a lot) could write circles around Spencer.

Well, let's just say that I stand by what I wrote earlier. Would maybe agree about Scott Snyder for his former work with Batman (and especially American Vampires), only that he doesn't do much with DC nowadays (apart from All-Star Batman, which has been mostly average so far). Maybe I could have been more concise, because I don't want to say that all those people aren't talented; but the fact of the matter is that both Captain America series were nothing but awesome, and most of the DC stuff just isn't (at the moment).

But I also have to ask: When you refuse to buy anything written by Spencer (and you stated as much very plainly), how can you be so sure that he sucks as writer? Honest question, because if it's just due to political differences as it is with many other critics, I'd rather not derail your thread any further.

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Cap as Hydra. 'Nuff said.

Plus, the opinions of people I have some respect for.

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Thanks for the answer.

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Lucifer!

And when I say that, I pretty much mean the character in DC Comics as first envisioned by Neil Gaiman, then wonderfully expanded upon by Mike Carey. Without doubt, my favorite depiction of the figure in all of literature, and probably one of the best depictions hands down.

His first appearance in Sandman was pretty cool, and seemed fairly typical. Here was the fallen angel, ruling in Hell (as part of a triumvirate), but ready and willing to engage in some clever challenges against the dream lord. He even spoke of the demon horde as his brothers.

Later, in the multipart Sandman Season of Mists story, we saw the character being moved in the direction Mike Carey would later pick up and run with. Here is an ancient being, tired of performing the role ascribed to him by another. Someone who wants to go his own way and really doesn't give a shit how many applecarts he has to upset in the process. It was fascinating to me.

Then, as previously stated, Mike Carey took that ball and ran with it, scoring a host of touchdowns in the process. There was the mini-series that set the tone, then the ongoing series. Also a one-shot somewhere along the way. Lucifer continued that "I don't give a f@$#" attitude, for everything but his own interests and freedoms. Even when he was helping others, it was either to make use of them later, or because their survival might benefit him some way, or because he was interested in seeing what might happen. He was supremely confident, utterly ruthless, and impossibly determined.

Then he flew off into the void, and it was all over.

Yes, I know they continued the series more recently. I didn't bother with it, since I figured (a) it was mostly to leech off the abomination of a TV show Fox was running, and even more so (b) the Mike Carey series had ended so brilliantly and definitively.


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WormysQueue wrote:


but the fact of the matter is that both Captain America series were nothing but awesome

I haven't been reading the Sam Wilson Cap book but yeah the main Cap book is fricking AMAZING. I'm as much a Cap fan as anyone. Hell, I have the $100 hard plastic replica of his shield hanging right on the wall next to my desk. The only, ONLY reason I dont have the $400 dollar metal replica was because of some emergency bills that popped up so I settled for the plastic one.

The STANDOFF series set everything up pretty much perfectly for the Nick Spenser Cap series. If you knew ANYTHING about the Cosmic Cube you knew that when she (Kobik) reverted him back to his healthy, young self there was something not quite right. As a Cap fan this is a REALLY long form CAP/Hydra/Cosmic Cube story and I love that it's so twisted.

I have all the patience in the world for this story because it's' not a dream or a fake out. Cap is Hydra and he and the Red Skull are STILL trying to take each other out. It's tactical maneuvering on a pretty big scale and most people are none the wiser. Cap's tactical acumen is very much intact, it's just that he's working for the other side. If we had THIS Cap on the side of the angels, the bad guys would be in TROUBLE.

Also Nick Spenser's THE FIX at Image is seriously one of the funniest books on the shelves right now.

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The New Gods were pretty much made of awesome. I have pretty much every series they put out since Cosmic Odyssey. I really miss them having their own stuff.

Two of my particular favorites were Jack Kirby's Fourth World series done by Walt Simonson, and the Orion series done by John Byrne.


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The New Gods were pretty much made of awesome. I have pretty much every series they put out since Cosmic Odyssey. I really miss them having their own stuff.

Two of my particular favorites were Jack Kirby's Fourth World series done by Walt Simonson, and the Orion series done by John Byrne.

I'm still trying to track down some of the Kirby stuff. Particularly the Forever People and some of the Jimmy Olsen stuff. I've found reprints of the New Gods and Mister Miracle, but not all of the others.

Some of the later non-Kirby stuff has been really good. Others not so much. The Legion's Great Darkness Saga might have been my first introduction.

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Aberzombie,

You know Hama's still writing G.I. Joe right? Been writing in the same continuity as the 80's books since 2010 with IDW.

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Matthew Morris wrote:

Aberzombie,

You know Hama's still writing G.I. Joe right? Been writing in the same continuity as the 80's books since 2010 with IDW.

Oh yeah, I'm aware. I even collected some of it for awhile. I dropped it for a few years, but am contemplating picking it back up. I've already been collecting Rom and Micronauts and have pleased with each of those.


WormysQueue wrote:
Well, I really like Quentin AND Damian.

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I can't help it, but even Logan kinda liked Quentin. Guess it's because I used to hide my own insecurities behind an extra arrogant mask myself during my youth, so I can relate to them. Also I really enjoyed those comics way back when Bruce was dead and Dick took up the Batman's mantle with Damian as his Robin. Thought they had a great chemistry together then.


I can't speak to how they've used him since then, but I agree about that first run with Dick & Damian. It was such a cool twist on the classic Batman/Robin dynamic. And Damian's gradual opening up was handled so well.
He may be one of those characters that's really hard to do well and easy just write as a jerk.

Never liked Quentin though.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Well if you REALLY hate Quentin then you'd best not read the latest issue of Mighty Thor.

I trust that writing team, so I'll spring for that one.

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Or Generation X. (Which I still can't figure out why he's there and not some other students...)

That, on the other hand, is a puzzler. So, so, SO, many amazing young mutants out there, not being used, from top tier New X-Men like Hellion and Dust, to also-rans like Anole and Indra, etc., etc. I would love to read more about Bling! or Nature Girl (about whom I know nothing more than that she's got a cool visual, being one of those rare women in comic books whose 'great rack' isn't on her chest), for instance, of those they did choose, but those other characters turn me off enough that I'm not gonna bother.

Eye Boy? Really? What, where Maggott, Phat, Rubbermaid, Gorgeous George and Adam the X-Treme busy?

As for Damian and Quentin, I'm a total hypocrite, in that I *love* teen and / or adult female characters like Monet or America Chavez that have that superior attitude and / or weapons-grade snark, but on boys not yet old enough to shave, I just think they need a spanking and to be sent to their room without supper.

I'm a big fan of maggot, Rubbermaid, gorgeous George and Adam actually...dont know anything about phat though.

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Freehold DM wrote:
I'm a big fan of maggot, Rubbermaid, gorgeous George and Adam actually...dont know anything about phat though.

Everyone has fans!

Now we need to get the least popular X-Men together and call it 'Misfit X-Men Redeemed' or something. :)

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Since I have too much time on my hands these days, I got back into an old habit of keeping a list of what comics I collect are coming out each week. I usually try update it once a month, and go about a month or so in advance.

Thanks to that bit of anal retentiveness, it seems to be these days publishers have really lapsed when it comes to maintaining a series regular schedule. Not always, of course. It depends on the book and the writer.

And I may just be misremembering the halcyon days of my youth. Maybe there were just as many problems back then, and I don't see it through the haze of years. I don't think so, though. I'm pretty certain they were better about it back then.


Aberzombie wrote:

Since I have too much time on my hands these days, I got back into an old habit of keeping a list of what comics I collect are coming out each week. I usually try update it once a month, and go about a month or so in advance.

Thanks to that bit of anal retentiveness, it seems to be these days publishers have really lapsed when it comes to maintaining a series regular schedule. Not always, of course. It depends on the book and the writer.

And I may just be misremembering the halcyon days of my youth. Maybe there were just as many problems back then, and I don't see it through the haze of years. I don't think so, though. I'm pretty certain they were better about it back then.

Hey, remember the "Dreaded Deadline Doom" and the occasional reprint issue in the middle of a run. Or fill in inventory issues that had nothing to do with what was going on in the usual storyline.

That might have been earlier though. Pre-80s. Back then, the issue came out, come hell or high water. What was in it was an open question.

Might be the difference in distribution? When they were shipping to newstands they may have been more contractually obligated to get product to them on time. Now it's more important to get the actual intended story out and right.


Yeah, Reprints were before my time... However the books STILL came out on time in the 80's and 90's. If an artist or a writer couldn't keep up with the schedule... they weren't on the book for long. If something happened and they couldn't finish in time... Someone else was tapped to fill in at the last minute. Books rarely came out more than a week or so late.

Then the artists and the writers themselves started to be the celebrities and draw for a book and schedules were tossed to the wind. NObody was going to yank Todd Mcfarland or Erik Larson off a book... The first really terrible schedules I noticed (specifically for the big 2, I don't count things like Image or Battle Chasers or other 'non-big 2' exceptions) was Daredevil Vol 2. Somewhere etween Kevin Smith and Quesada... In the first year of that series, we only got about 7 issues released. The delays on that were insane. People wanted to blame the artist at the time, but I always figured it was Smith not taking the job seriously and splitting his time with the directing stuff... and most of his comic career since seems to back that up.

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