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As a flavor element, I allowed one of my players to create a character who's basically a goblin riding inside a gear-and-magic-driven suit of full plate armor. The character was built initially off the human template, and the goblin aspect is primarily for roleplaying aspects.
Leading up to where the group is (outside of Whitethrone in Irrisen), I've had the armor leak fluids and the like when damaged... and repaired with healing magic. It is linked to the rider (so if the armor dies, the goblin dies - not that that's happened yet). But what I'm curious about is how should transformation magic affect this?
Would Disguise Self only affect the goblin? Or could it disguise the armor itself?
Moreso, would a Rimepelt (created from a skinned Mythic winter wolf) transform both armor and goblin into a Winter Wolf, or would it only affect the goblin?
This does have other aspects - I mean, if someone uses Baleful Polymorph on the armor, would the armor just sit there with a bunny-goblin inside bouncing around ineffectually? Or would the whole thing transform?
(I know I'm tempted to state the armor would need a whole day to be disassembled and another to reassemble it, if they were to try and tuck it into a Bag of Holding to try and conceal it. But I figure they might try for magic to get the armor past.)
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I'd say, if healing magic works, it's actually part of the goblin. Basically cybernetics instead of separate armor. This is backed up by the goblin dying if the armor dies.
So, other transformation magic should also work. Disguise self, baleful polymorph, all of that should effect armor and goblin alike.
One related thing to consider is whether transformation magic for inanimate objects works on the living armor. I'd lean towards "no," but mostly because of mending.
Cheers!
Landon
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would you mind if i ask why?
Its just a goblin in symbiotic power armor needs to be expanded on.
we need to know more:)
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I've mentioned him before in other posts. :)
It just seems odd to allow Disguise Self or the like to alter the armor itself, even if the armor is magically symbiotic.
But if you want I'll go into more details later in the day.
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I'm honestly drawing a blank, so sorry,
is glamered an option?
honestly its just thru the first couple books where it might come up, are they in Whitethrone still or yet? have him or her maybe pass himself or herself as Stilyagi with a thing for full-plate armor or something,
i'm still a little blown away by the image myself ()
also why Goblin instead of Gnome? Symbiotic clockwork full plate screams cliche tinker gnome to me, tho i'm also a huge fan of pathfinder goblins and much prefer to play them to gnomes:)
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It just seems odd to allow Disguise Self or the like to alter the armor itself, even if the armor is magically symbiotic.
Actually, disguise self covers armor by default.
To quote: "You make yourself—including clothing, armor, weapons, and equipment—look different."
So even normal plate mail should be a-okay.
Cheers!
Landon
okay i actually got thru the post without getting hung up on the armor aspect (not a bad thing) anyway, since its magical i would have it fold down into a suitcase size as a full round action (or vice versa) and another round to climb in and get settled (if thats too much it could be a full round to both fold out and get in) essentially Goblin Ironman without the missles, although if you got the spell Magic Missle......
still good times!
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It's not completely magical. I mean, it's +1 now, but I figure the armor functions by gears and magic. As for the pilot? It's a convoluted but fun story.
The player started out wanting to run an Eldritch Warrior (before I was even doing the game as RoW) so I indulged and let him start with Mithral Full Plate armor - the caveat is that he owes a lot of money and has been dealing with bandits to repay his debts. But he was never seen out of his armor, so one of the players started joking about that. Independently of each other, they thought "gnome in a human-sized suit of armor!" with Steve having decided to go one step further: a goblin who was raised by gnomes and who thinks he's a gnome with a skin condition.
He's built the armor as a means of giving gnomes a means of doing heavy construction and the like. This is the mark III armor. The first was made of iron. It crushed when lifting something heavy. Steel didn't do much better - the arms broke off. So he went with Mithral (which doesn't disrupt magic as much).
He really hates dwarves ("connivin' greedy bas'ards! I hev no ide' hew tha' blu box they use t' git aroond works, chap inside seems nice enou' though...") and bandits... and is growing to hate White Witches as well. ;) and if you dare call him a goblin he'll go off ("ye dinnae go callin' me a damn'd geeba! Wha', are ye blind, ye idjit?")
(Editorial note: Please excuse my attempt to translate the scottish accent of this goblin who thinks he's a gnome into the written form.)
He's fun enough that the one time he wasn't going to be able to make the game? The others said to postpone it a week instead. (And we meet monthly so that says something!)
Anyway, Sentry was built as a Human initially. That he's actually a goblin inside doesn't change things - outside the armor he actually has dark vision and a lower strength, and I've statted him up in fact so he can be out of the armor, but mostly it doesn't affect things.
It's just wondering how certain things would work. Seeing the armor is symbiotically bound to him (no idea how he did that, the boy must be half arcanist I swear...) I suppose it makes sense for stuff like transformation magic to turn the armor as well. It would be rather amusing to see them give the lowest-charisma member of the party the Rimepelt, especially given Greta.
Yes, that should be fun.
Then again, this party has pulled unexpected swerves before. They may very well give the pelt to someone else with a high charisma and find another way to smuggle Sentry in - perhaps under a load of fish! ^^;;
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good stuff:)
couple things, great job on the thorough butchering of the scottish accent, too many people dont go far enough in their desire for it to be readable, you really went the extra mile there :D
also i cant imagine the effort you'll have to go through getting the stench of fish out of the armor (trust me fish scent lingers on metal, forever!) so i'd keep doing what you've been doing wear the armor and pass yourself off as some weird bored noble kid in a big siut of armor
finally, i thought the gnome and halfling fix for hard labor was the boost to charisma ("but you're so much bigger and look at those muscles! be a dear and put these walls together would ya, also get me a f+~@ing lemonade its hot out here!")