Grandfathering on the 14th...


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Ok, I know that if it's first XP is after the 14th the PC needs a Boon to be a Tiefling/Aasimar... and before the 14th the PC is Grandfathered in...

But what about a PC that earns his first XP on the 14th?

so... is the cut-off at midnight tonight? or midnight tomorrow night?
And what if the game was started before the deadline - but finished after? (For example: if I start Crypt of the Everflame tonight and finish it next week on Wednesday, the Chronicle would be dated next week right? but the PC STARTED play tonight...) Realizing that tonight is a game night at the local shop... if the game runs after midnight (ending say at 00:01 AM), are all the new Tieflings no longer legal?

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Just have the GM date it for today, in either case. These little nitpicky things aren't in the spirit of the rule. They just don't want people making 15 new aasimars and dating chronicle sheets for all of them for today. If you're legitimately trying to follow the rules but have a strange situation like this, I'm sure your GM won't mind signing off on the chronicle sheet with TODAY's date on it.

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cartmanbeck wrote:
Just have the GM date it for today, in either case. These little nitpicky things aren't in the spirit of the rule. They just don't want people making 15 new aasimars and dating chronicle sheets for all of them for today. If you're legitimately trying to follow the rules but have a strange situation like this, I'm sure your GM won't mind signing off on the chronicle sheet with TODAY's date on it.

LOL! the reason I am asking is that I'm going to be running the game and I need to tell the players correctly...

several of the players will be sticklers for doing things "correct" - "by the rules" - you know, lawful types with a capital L.

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Yeah... I know the types. I would just explain to them that you're willing to write today's date on there, and if another GM has some problem with it, to have them contact you.

The organized play system is still based on the concept of everyone trying to follow the rules, and that's exactly what you're doing... the specific situation just doesn't have a clear answer, and since you're the GM, I'd say it's your call.

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From the blog post introducing the change:

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Beginning on August 14th, creating an aasimar or tiefling character will require a special Chronicle sheet

I'd say the "beginning on" wording is pretty clear - August 13 is the actual deadline to play a grandfathered outsider without a boon.

It should be noted that the same wording was used for not needing a boon for kitsune, wayang, and nagaji PCs, which makes sense, since they want people to be able to start playing them tomorrow at GenCon.

So... what time zone are you in? It's still August 13 somewhere, right? :P

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I agree with Fromper; you need to be finishing up and handing out chronicles on 13 August. The only leeway I'd be comfortable with is a session on the 13th Aug evening slot drifting into the early hours of the morning.

nosig wrote:
if the game runs after midnight (ending say at 00:01 AM), are all the new Tieflings no longer legal?

Anyone with a modicum of sense would agree that's fine.

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Paz wrote:

I agree with Fromper; you need to be finishing up and handing out chronicles on 13 August. The only leeway I'd be comfortable with is a session on the 13th Aug evening slot drifting into the early hours of the morning.

nosig wrote:
if the game runs after midnight (ending say at 00:01 AM), are all the new Tieflings no longer legal?
Anyone with a modicum of sense would agree that's fine.

"...a modicum of sense..."? hay, this is the Internet!

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I reported my mummy's mask book 1 today and handed out sheets. One player is going aasimar, just to have one, so I did my part!

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Talos the Talon! wrote:
I reported my mummy's mask book 1 today and handed out sheets. One player is going aasimar, just to have one, so I did my part!

Did he actually play the aasimar PFS character? Playing a pregen (or an AP in campaign mode) isn't enough, unfortunately.

EDIT: Citation

John Compton wrote:
if you're playing a character that you intend to grandfather in as an aasimar or tiefling, it's critical to play the character as an aasimar or tiefling. None of our pregenerated characters are aasimars or tieflings, so that means that pregen credit is not sufficient for grandfathering in a character.

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Paz wrote:
Talos the Talon! wrote:
I reported my mummy's mask book 1 today and handed out sheets. One player is going aasimar, just to have one, so I did my part!

Did he actually play the aasimar PFS character? Playing a pregen (or an AP in campaign mode) isn't enough, unfortunately.

EDIT: Citation

John Compton wrote:
if you're playing a character that you intend to grandfather in as an aasimar or tiefling, it's critical to play the character as an aasimar or tiefling. None of our pregenerated characters are aasimars or tieflings, so that means that pregen credit is not sufficient for grandfathering in a character.

I think that's the case when playing a PFS pregen, I'm not sure that applies when playing an AP scenario in a home campaign with non-PFS standard rules and applying that sheet to a new level 1 PC. It's not entirely clear from the response.

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John's comment was:

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if you're playing a character that you intend to grandfather in as an aasimar or tiefling, it's critical to play the character as an aasimar or tiefling.

That's entirely unambiguous to me. The GtPFSOP even says that AP campaign mode credit should be treated as pregen credit for the purposes of applying it.

The only exception is PCs with 1+ XP of GM credit, as John clarifies in his post.

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But in the case of playing an AP in a home campaign, it is entirely possible the player could have been playing an aasimar or tiefling if the GM allowed it.

EDIT: Another thing to consider is that John's ruling really isn't really enforceable because PC race is not recorded on a chronicle. All I need to play an aasimar or tiefling is a chronicle dated prior to August 14th and a character sheet with an aasimar or tiefling PC with the same name. Unless there is someone at the table there to say "Hey, was Rock Rockcrusher a dwarf last week?" How are you going to prove that the PC wasn't an aasimar or tiefling to begin with?

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Michael Hallet wrote:

But in the case of playing an AP in a home campaign, it is entirely possible the player could have been playing an aasimar or tiefling if the GM allowed it.

EDIT: Another thing to consider is that John's ruling really isn't really enforceable because PC race is not recorded on a chronicle. All I need to play an aasimar or tiefling is a chronicle dated prior to August 14th and a character sheet with an aasimar or tiefling PC with the same name. Unless there is someone at the table there to say "Hey, was Rock Rockcrusher a dwarf last week?" How are you going to prove that the PC wasn't an aasimar or tiefling to begin with?

the point is not to "prove" it.

If someone wants to "cheat", they can just as easily just pull out a chronicle and write up the sheet themselves - never having played it or anything. No one that I know is going to check.

We're not going to check on you guy. That's the point of an honor system. I am not your mom, or a police man or anything like that. I don't check to see that someone is honest.

I might (and do) check for MISTAKES.

SO... what's legal, what's allowed, and what's not. I need to know this so that I can inform the players that ask me for help.

SO... legal questions now...

1) If a PC has been played before today as an Aasimar - can the 1st level re-write rules be used to convert the PC to a different type of Aasimar?

2) Can they be used to convert the PC to a Tiefling?

3) Can they be used to convert the PC to a Nagagi? (not a legal choice before the 14th - so it wouldn't have been legal when the chronicle on it was awarded).

Thanks for your input!

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In effect, your pre-season 6 aasimar PC has a 'virtual aasimar race boon', so the answers are:

nosig wrote:
1) If a PC has been played before today as an Aasimar - can the 1st level re-write rules be used to convert the PC to a different type of Aasimar?

Yes.

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2) Can they be used to convert the PC to a Tiefling?

No.

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3) Can they be used to convert the PC to a Nagagi? (not a legal choice before the 14th - so it wouldn't have been legal when the chronicle on it was awarded).

Yes (just like any current 1st-level PC retraining into an ACG class/archetype).

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