scenarios allowing you to get better?

[Matthew Morris]

Something mentioned in the Way of the Kirin scenario (GM using wrong statblock) made me wonder. If creatures have the ability to remove/dispell conditions in the scenario, should we, as GMs, have the PCs take advantage?

Nightmarch scenario.

Spoiler:

PC gets pulled into the circle with Kol'vath, he tries the 'release me or he dies!' trick and the party says no. PC gets away. Later same PC (and new player with a Paladin who has Oath against Fiends (d'oh!)) decide they can take him (!?!) So they close to melee with him (note, not with reach weapons) one mostly full attack later...

Well the outsider in the scenario has raise dead and restoration memorized. I decided she'd use them on the paladin.

Is that a fair use of resources? I mean it is a case where the player made a (really) stupid mistake, based on a veteran player's actions.

Thoughts?

[Netopalis]

I'd allow it where the NPC has Raise Dead prepared and the requisite components.

[Silbeg]

Personally, I would assume that if she has it memorized, then she can cast it (unless the scenario states otherwise).

Note, that she can only cast Restoration once, so the player would have to do the second one (a week later).

Now, if she had believed that the PC in question had not died acting towards to goals of Good, maybe she'd hold back.

[1970Zombie]

Matthew Morris wrote:

Something mentioned in the Way of the Kirin scenario (GM using wrong statblock) made me wonder. If creatures have the ability to remove/dispell conditions in the scenario, should we, as GMs, have the PCs take advantage?

Nightmarch scenario.
** spoiler omitted **
Well the outsider in the scenario has raise dead and restoration memorized. I decided she'd use them on the paladin.

Is that a fair use of resources? I mean it is a case where the player made a (really) stupid mistake, based on a veteran player's actions.

Thoughts?

I think you may have been overly generous. Both those spells require costly material components (6,000 GP worth which are not listed as available in the scenario). The only spell that is mentioned is Banishment which the NPC is too weak to cast and imbues a PC with the power to do so. I do not think she is intended to help the party beyond that.

It would help if the scenario spelled out what resources she had remaining but I think it is safe to assume that she cannot provide those services during the scenario.

[1970Zombie]

As to the Oathbound Paladin, it may have been in character to destroy the fiend but it would have been smarter to find a way that would allow it to be accomplished while it was safely contained, even if this would have required an Atonement. Facing a threat beyond your ability usually results in death and rightly so. It could have also meant the death of fellow party members or the escape of the fiend.