DM Credit for replayable modules / scenarios?

[Rycaut]

Specifically I'm curious about how DM credits work for running Thornkeep: Accursed Halls. Or any other 1-2 module that is replayable (for 1st level characters, only playable once by a 2nd level character).

I'm in the midst of my second time DMing Thornkeep Accursed Halls.

My first run through I was going to apply the credit to my 5th, as of yet unmade character. This unmade character already has other DM credits waiting to be applied (but not sufficient to be at level 2 before applying Thornkeep Accursed Halls to him/her)

This next run through I think I get another DM chronicle sheet to apply? (much as if I were running a level 1 replayable scenario or module?)

Is there any restriction from applying a DM credit for Thornkeep Accursed Halls (or any other similar 1-2 module case) to 2nd level characters?

- can this only be done once and then all further DM credits have to be applied to 1st level characters?

I know I can also play Thornkeep Accursed Halls once with a 2nd level character (though I know the scenario well from running it a few times I do hope to play it at least once in the future) and perhaps again with a 1st level character (though I'll only do that if a group needed me to fill the table as i"m starting to run out of new character ideas...)

While it isn't flawless I do think that Thornkeep Accursed Halls is a fantastic module - very tough and deadly but also really fun to play through as well as to run. And as an event organizer I'll probably favor running it (if time permits) over running First Steps if given the choice, even though Thornkeep doesn't highlight the factions or faction missions.

[Harley Quinn X]

GM credit works like a player character would. You can only apply credit from a replayable 1-2 module to a 2nd level character only once. You can apply it to 1st level characters as many times as you like.

[graypark]

I happen to be running The Accursed Halls next weekend and I happened to have my copy of GtPSOP opened, so I, too, was curious as to the answer and thought I'd see if I could find a definitive answer in the guide.

Here's a curious thing: I couldn't find anything that says one can get GM credit more than once for running the same scenario or module, even if it's a "replayable-for-credit" Tier 1 scenario or Tier 1-2 module.

I has always assumed otherwise. Am I missing something? It's very possible I'm simply looking in the wrong place. Or is "relayable" supposed to imply both playing a character AND GMing the table?

[RtFM]

graypark wrote:

I happened to have my copy of GtPSOP opened [...] I couldn't find anything that says one can get GM credit more than once for running the same scenario or module, even if it's a "replayable-for-credit" Tier 1 scenario or Tier 1-2 module.

Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, page 21, 'Replaying Scenarios' wrote:

There is one exception to these rules: All Tier 1 scenarios and Tier 1–2 sanctioned modules are available for unlimited replay with a 1st-level character for credit. The sanctioned modules can also be played with a 2nd- level character once for credit. You may continue to replay the sanctioned modules with 1st-level characters after playing through them with a 2nd-level character. GMs can receive another Chronicle sheet each time they run one of the Tier 1 scenarios or Tier 1–2 sanctioned modules. No character can ever have two of the same Chronicle—the Chronicle must be applied to a different character each time.

[graypark]

Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, page 21, 'Replaying Scenarios' wrote:

There is one exception to these rules: All Tier 1 scenarios and Tier 1–2 sanctioned modules are available for unlimited replay with a 1st-level character for credit. The sanctioned modules can also be played with a 2nd- level character once for credit. You may continue to replay the sanctioned modules with 1st-level characters after playing through them with a 2nd-level character. GMs can receive another Chronicle sheet each time they run one of the Tier 1 scenarios or Tier 1–2 sanctioned modules. No character can ever have two of the same Chronicle—the Chronicle must be applied to a different character each time.

Thanks, RtFM. If it was a snake, it would have bitten my nose. I knew it was in there somewhere. Forest and trees and such...

[Rei]

Sorry about this being off topic, but I figured this might be an okay place to ask.

I ran Frozen Fingers of Midnight back in Season 0, when GM chronicles didn't exist. I haven't run it since. If I run it again at a con later this year, am I allowed to claim the GM reward for it then, or is it forever lost?

[Starglim]

Rei wrote:

Sorry about this being off topic, but I figured this might be an okay place to ask.

I ran Frozen Fingers of Midnight back in Season 0, when GM chronicles didn't exist. I haven't run it since. If I run it again at a con later this year, am I allowed to claim the GM reward for it then, or is it forever lost?

I believe if you haven't yet received one GM credit for it, you can now do so.

[Purple Fluffy CatBunnyGnome]

Starglim wrote:

Rei wrote:

Sorry about this being off topic, but I figured this might be an okay place to ask.

I ran Frozen Fingers of Midnight back in Season 0, when GM chronicles didn't exist. I haven't run it since. If I run it again at a con later this year, am I allowed to claim the GM reward for it then, or is it forever lost?

I believe if you haven't yet received one GM credit for it, you can now do so.

Correct, to get the GM credit now, you need to re-run it, you cannot go back and take retro credit, but as long as you haven't gotten credit for it once as a GM you can get your credit.

[Shifty]

Is a 'Tier 1' scenario the same as 1-2? Or are they saying level 1 only like First Steps? ie could I run something like Mists of Mwangi a couple of times at 1-2 and get credit?

Sorry, I'm having a himbo moment.

With the departure of First Steps II & III I'm wondering what could be used to replace them, and still be worth credit for doing...

[Paz]

Shifty wrote:

Is a 'Tier 1' scenario the same as 1-2?

No.

Shifty wrote:

Or are they saying level 1 only like First Steps?

Yes.

Shifty wrote:

ie could I run something like Mists of Mwangi a couple of times at 1-2 and get credit?

No.

Shifty wrote:

With the departure of First Steps II & III I'm wondering what could be used to replace them, and still be worth credit for doing...

Pathfinder Module: Master of the Fallen Fortress

Pathfinder Module: We Be Goblins!
Pathfinder Module: Crypt of the Everflame
Pathfinder Module: The Godsmouth Heresy
Pathfinder Module: Murder's Mark
Pathfinder Online: Thornkeep (The Accursed Halls)
Pathfinder Adventure Path #67: The Snows of Summer

[Shifty]

Thanks Paz!

Wow so it looks like the intro run for new players is pretty much 'play a module' now as well. Here's hoping for First Steps IIb and IIIb :)

[Nebten]

Or just play the dozens of scenarios that offer Tier 1-2 options.

Honestly, starting off brand new players in a module setting in PFS is a very poor idea.

[Doug Miles]

Nebten wrote:

Honestly, starting off brand new players in a module setting in PFS is a very poor idea.

Why is that?

[Tony Lindman]

I would probably try to avoid modules for brand new players (as opposed to new characters of experienced players) because with the exception of the Free RPG Day modules, they aren't representative of a normal PFS adventure. It takes 2-3 times as long to do and there aren't any PFS-centric elements (like the VC briefing, or PFS campaign goals and villains).

Also, since it's a full level of xp, the player only gets one chance at using the level 1 rebuild rules to tweak the pc, whereas someone doing normal 1-5 scenarios gets three.

Shifty, even though those modules are the only repeatable GM credits, I personally would recommend running new players through 1-5 scenarios you have GMed before. Even though you aren't getting character credit, you are giving those players an enhanced experience, since you are more familiar with the scenario.

[Shifty]

I'd second that a Module for a brand new player for the reasons above, way too much going on for new players, and not really a 'PFS' focus.

And yep Tony, reckon you are probably right there!
That said I find it counter intuitive that the system rewards GM'ing lots of different things, as opposed to getting really polished at any of them. I get it, but I still find it a bit odd :)

[Tony Lindman]

You may find this a step in the right direction. :-)