Okay, what's next, the Sorceress? Anybody want to put forth the next character?
She's an Eagle Shaman Druid for me.
I agree, an Eagle Shaman Druid is a perfect fit.
Still considering the issue w/ BattleCat. My list of options to deal with it is pretty terrible at the moment, so I'll continue to consider...
Well, I shall check out this eagle shaman. She definitely appears to be a Druid, although she doesn't do any summoning. She is big into divination magic. I agree that it fits, but we would have to find a way to give her the Divination cleric domain, NOT the others that the animal shaman limits her to.
I would think the Eagle Shaman Druid w/ the Nobility (or possibly Martyr sub-domain as I'm not sure she had leadership really) would be good.
I'm not familiar w/ a Divination Domain, do you mean the Divine sub-domain for Magic?
Druids do get access to some Divination spells. Which spells do you think she was definitely using/needs? If she needs access to pretty much all the Divination spells you would probably have to make her a wizard/sorcerer w/ some spells to transform her into a bird (as opposed to the Druids ability to do so).
She used mostly shapechange and divination magic, with a few zorches for good measure. Couldn't give you specifics, other than remote telepathy, offhand.
What I mean is, having the Druid take Divination the Cleric domain instead of an animal companion.
I think Divination was a 3.0 domain. I didn't know it was in Pathfinder. Do you have a link so I can check it out? I'm not finding anything.
crapcakes, they changed the name. Sorry, Knowledge. It's all divination spells anyway. Even Remote Viewing is perfect for her.
Ah, ok. The Urban Druid might work then. Of course, it pushes back wildshape until level 8, but then she only seemed to use it to fly around, not for combat, so that might be fine.
I really wish Urban Druid & Eagle Shaman stacked...
The Shoanti Shaman archetype can give the Knowledge domain to a druid. I think it can be stackable with Eagle Shaman.
shoanti? where'd you get that one? If I can find it, I can be certain if it stacks.
This is all that I can find, but I have no idea what it means. I haven't been able to find a list of the available totems online and I don't own that particular book to look it up (Pathfinder Companion: Humans of Golarion). No idea why it's not on PFSRD...
This post says the knowledge domain is an option.
I would assume Shoanti Shaman and Eagle Shaman do not stack, since they both change the list of domains available. That comes from "none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature". In my experience, that includes two archetypes altering the list of domains. Perhaps if you can actually look up the Shoanti in that book will prove otherwise?
EDIT: Of course, you already used two archetypes that don't stack for Heman, if you don't mind you could always do the same for the Sorceress.
Well, I am about to get the Humans book, so I will be able to investigate.
Also, I think Menhir Savant from UM should be in the mix, even if we have to go Urban Druid.
Okay, I have the Humans book.
I don't know, the section mentioned about getting Knowledge might or might not still apply once we make her an Eagle Shaman. I do know that the designers have the philosophy of: if taken, it shouldn't do NOTHING, something should happen.
I'd like to apply the Menhir Savant to the character, and to hopefully create some sort of curse that prevents her from being in human form outside of Castle Grayskull. In return, I am thinking of making her ageless. She can't grow old, and she doesn't die when "her time is up."
Does the link I posted earlier help clarify anything from the book?
I can see the appeal of Menhir Savant.
I can see the Sorceress being ageless (and druids get it anyway, eventually) but I was unaware she wouldn't die eventually. Don't I remember something about Teela being "chosen" to take her place some day? Did I make that up? Was it not in the original show?
Regarding the problem w/ BattleCat. I can't figure out any options beyond these, but perhaps I'm overlooking something obvious.
1) Completely rebuild He-man so he has an animal companion, such as Mad Dog Barbarian, Ranger, or Druid. I know you don't want to do this, just getting it out of the way as a solution, even if it's a bad one.
2) Leave Cringer as is and "fluff" him (perhaps a magic item could disguise him and/or actually make him large for a hr/lvl duration?) into BattleCat until high levels (when he could be a real Dire Tiger). He was rarely in combat anyway (from what I remember), so he could just stand in a corner and roar at nothing in particular, completely ignored, until combat is over (so he doesn't die quite so easily). Of course, if a regular tiger w/ some levels of fighter (or whatever) is strong enough to actually survive, the before mentioned items could be used and then he joins in regular combat.
3) Have He-man take ranks in Handle Animal and have him catch/train a Dire Tiger. (of course, the DC to do so is crazy).
3a) Pay someone else to catch/train a Dire Tiger (maybe the Sorceress?). Easier DCs to have it do stuff than to train it. Of course, I don't think intelligent creatures (after the spell is cast) can be trained w/ Handle Animal, so this won't work, right?
4) Have someone else play as Cringer/BattleCat. I know it's unlikely to happen, but I still love this idea!
5) Kind of a hybrid of #2 & #4, treat Cringer/BattleCat as an NPC. He-man has no direct control over him. Battlecat will transport He-man to edge of battle and then stands in corner roaring and ignored. Or, you can have one designated enemy per combat that Battlecat "fights" until combat has ended if you want to feel like he's "participating". The basic idea to give He-man a mount that doesn't help him in combat.
6) Disregard BattleCat and hope no one notices. I don't like this idea.
Thoughts?
The problem with your theory is that the bit from the Humans book isn't part of any sort of archetype. It's something unique, and as such I don't think that passage applies. However, this is a moot point since these are simply a list of what each tribe respects/worships, it's not labeled as being capable of altering class features. I should note that I am not 100% certain of this, and am willing to listen to arguments. That's what I'd rule as DM.
She wanted to retire, which is logical since she's effectively imprisoned in Grayskull; can only be human inside it. Wouldn't you? Anyway, I'd have to find the specific episodes, and I am unsure as to why she wants to retire. This is more than simply not aging, it means you get greater than your alotted lifespan if you can endure the ages psychologically.
I have an idea where Cringer is concerned. How about we make him a standard tiger, but give him levels of Barbarian, and have his rage ability trigger at the same time He Man transforms/Terrifying Howls, therefore turning him into Battlecat?
This can also be combined with someone else running Cringer, and would result in a more potent character (an extra 2 xp levels).
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I need your opinion on something. I was thinking of gender rules for attributes. What do you think of this?
male +1 str -1 con, and women +1 con -1 str
Or, given human society, should women instead of con get a +1 Charisma?
I like the idea for Cringer.
Yeah, my brain is injured now. :P
male +1 str -1 con, and women +1 con -1 str
Did you ever play Arcanum? Old PC game. It had a gender specified bonus/negative exactly like that. Worked fine for that game, I'm sure it would be fine for Pathfinder as well. You should talk to your players before hand and make sure nobody has a problem w/ it. I know people who would argue about that forever.
I think I would go w/ the +con over the +charisma.
You may want to consider various races though, I'm sure there are some who have less differences/different differences that you may want to consider. (I'm thinking of Discworld Dwarves, where the genders are completely indiscernible, or some of the Star Wars races where the females are larger and stronger than the males {although not in a way that effects the stats, if I remember correctly}).
Wish I could message you. I checked, you don't have that option listed.
Well, I've noticed that women are more socially aware than men, so I thought perhaps a +1 Charisma and a -1 Strength would stand on somewhat firmer ground than +1 Constitution and -1 Strength for women.
Why the Con over the Cha?
The only race I know of that might not have this trait would be Drow, being as it is heavily matriarchal.
Also, I gotta question, if I make a level 6 sorcerer vampire, does that make it CR7 in Pathfinder?
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@Piccolo: I mentioned an Awakened Tiger/Dire Tiger Titan Mauler before.
what the heck is a titan mauler?
While not Ideal it isn't bad. It allows a Medium Being to become Large. Though it doesn't become perfect til later on.
Unless there is another way for a Barbarian to become Larger.
I think fast movement is a little too important for a mount. After all, He Man rides Battlecat.
I'm not sure an extra 5ft is that big a deal, considering how much a tiger can move by default.
And the titan mauler is actually kind of broken (ie, doesn't work the way the writer intended), but it doesn't matter as much since the broken aspect is in regards to weapons, which BattleCat doesn't use anyway. Search it on these boards, people ask/complain about it all the time.
The vampire template adds +2 to the CR. No time to look up specific CR for what you asked right now.
doesn't fast movement add 10ft to the base speed, not 5? Tigers move at 40 (the same as a heavy horse), but one with barb levels would move at 50, the same as a light horse.
There are a host of problems with that archetype, like Battlecat would be fighting either Panthor or Medium humanoids, wouldn't be using weapons so two features would be gone, would need fast mvt and uncanny dodge since barding sucks and he's a mount so speed is of the essence.
from what I read, a standard npc's challenge rating is one less than the level. Since vampire adds 2 points, that means the final cr is one MORE than the level, right?
Yeah, it's 10 ft. Sorry about that, I replied w/out really thinking. My coffee hadn't kicked in yet.
I was thinking tigers had a movement of 60, I must have been thinking of something else...couldn't say what though. Again, coffee.
There are...alot of problems w/ that archetype, such as those abilities being useless for pretty much everyone (out side of house rules). :/ The reason to take it is for the enlarging effects at 14th level. If you can create that using a magic item, or maybe some potions (as to how he drinks them...I have no idea) the the archetype becomes rather irrelevant.
Yeah, that's correct on the vampire.
Permanency can make Enlarge Person permanent... But I dunno if that would apply to Battlecat.
With the rules published on Kobold Quarterly #18, the Beast Leadership feat gives you an awakened tiger cohort at 6th level. Give to the tiger 1 level in barbarian with the Jotunkin barbarian archetype from Spes Magna Games, et voilà your He-Man has a Cringer/Battlecat at 7th level!
With the rules published on Kobold Quarterly #18, the Beast Leadership feat gives you an awakened tiger cohort at 6th level. Give to the tiger 1 level in barbarian with the Jotunkin barbarian archetype from Spes Magna Games, et voilà your He-Man has a Cringer/Battlecat at 7th level!
Edit: sorry, my bad. I meant that the cohort levels are 6th for an awakened tiger, and 7th for an awakened tiger Barbarian 1st. That would mean a 9 and 10 in the Leadership score- so you can have a Battlecat at 9th level, still not unreasonable.
Interesting idea. Is there a book that this was originally in?
Kobold Quarterly #18's a magazine. The Jotunkin comes from the Spes Magna site.
With the rules published on Kobold Quarterly #18, the Beast Leadership feat gives you an awakened tiger cohort at 6th level. Give to the tiger 1 level in barbarian with the Jotunkin barbarian archetype from Spes Magna Games, et voilà your He-Man has a Cringer/Battlecat at 7th level!
I'm not as familiar w/ third party info, but I really like that archetype (in general, but particularly for BattleCat).
As I recall, any sidekick has to be at least 2 levels lower than the PC with Leadership. But that works out okay. So, awakened Tiger with Barbarian levels with that funky archetype should be good for Battlecat/Cringer. Whoever plays it should have a sense of humor, that's for certain.
Anyway, so far for Sorceress we have Druid, Menhir Savant archetype, and Urban with Knowledge domain.
Now, as for attributes, I figure her wisdom had to be the highest in the show. She did a lot of shapechanging to bright orange hawk, and divination spells.
So, I propose we max out her Wisdom score at 20. Now, thing is, I think she was fully human, not a variant like one of the aasimar, even though that might be appropriate given her obvious "purty" factor Charisma. What do you guys think?
Menhir Savant and Urban Druid don't stack.
I didn't see anything in Menhir that prevents it. Remember, her Menhir Circle is Castle Grayskull.
Both archetypes replace woodland stride and trackless step.
You could stack Menhir Savant with Shoanti Shaman for the Knowledge domain, though (there's also the Henge-Kannushi archetype from Rite Publishing)
Ratfarts! Okay, how do we give a Druid a way to get power from a locale, without using the Menhir Savant archetype, or somehow finding a way for this to work? The main reason why I thought an Urban Druid would work was the Knowledge domain, because it grants lots of divination spells.
Well, I can't see this Sorceress as being particularly woodsy, so Urban beats out Menhir Savant, despite the latter's ability to draw power from Castle Greyskull.
I don't believe Urban Druid stacks w/ any of the Paizo archetypes, so if you want to add anything else, you'll need to try the third party stuff, do something of your own, or do like you did w/ He-man and just stack unstackable archetypes.
I'm not at all familiar w/ the Shaonti Shaman, but apparently that's an option?
naw, it's just a list of those totems that each tribe venerates, it doesn't alter the available domains that the druid has access to, near as I can figure.
At this point, I figure the urban druid is more important than menhir savant, because overall it suits her. She's not a combative sort, more of a support staff kinda person. Very wise and learned, but doesn't sling offensive magic often, or even combat magic.
As for what I did with He Man, nothing overlapped, I just picked which features I would exchange for the ones listed. In other words, I only took half a archetype so I could take the rest of a different archetype. Those features suited him more, its not like he's any more potent than he would have been if he'd stuck with a single archetype.
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Whenever larger than life characters come into play I always use the advanced template and a 10-25 point build.
10 point build is for pretty impressive superheros (images of Robin from Teen Titans come to mind.)
15 point build is for very impressive superheros (images from batman comes to mind)
20 point build is for the edge of mortality superheros (Images of Slade Wilson/Deathstroke the Terminator come to mind)
25 point builds is for Demi-god like superheros (Superman)
Keep in mind the next thing is classes. Glad if this helps.
okay, lets figure out the attributes for Sorceress, shall we? She had the highest Wis score of anyone in the show, so I vote for her having a 20 Wisdom. Pretty high Charisma too, as she did have a fantastic figure and beautiful face.
I honestly have no idea. She seemed to have very high wisdom, and high intelligence and charisma, but nothing is jumping out to me to make a guess at the physical stats.
Then we make her physicals 10 or 12. Given her muscles, I would say Strength 12, dex 10, con 10.
As for race, I was thinking of one of the humanoid types, Samsaran, but her appearance isn't blue skinned. Stats and the rest seem to fit though. Or should we stick just to Human?
Wait, there's this one thingy for humans, you basically give up your extra feat, the +2, and the extra skill points, for +2 on any two stats. How about we do that with Wisdom and Intelligence (I figure Man At Arms has a higher Intelligence than she does).
Yeah, the Human alternate racial trait would work fine. I can't recall, but one of the Aasimar variants may give the same bonuses, if you think the fluff of that race would fit the Sorceress.