Advanced Race Guide: Gillmen Point Costs


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Scarab Sages

I have searched the Paizo boards for posts on Gillmen, and I cannot find any post which breaks down the point cost for the Gillmen race. Please forgive me if this is a repeat (and please point me to that discussion).

Of particular interest to me are the "Enchantment Resistance" and "Water Dependent" point costs.

The "Slimehunter" racial trait replaces enchantment resistance, and I can see no drawback to Slimehunter (unlike Enchantment Resistance), so I assume Enchantment Resistance has a net positive point cost. But what is it? It is similar to Elven Immunities?

Water Dependent can be very deadly, so I would expect it to have a high negative cost. However, Throwback cancels it out be removing:
amphibious trait (2 RP)
aquatic subtype (0 RP)
swim speed and bonuses to the Swim skill (2 RP)

which, according to my math, would give "Water Dependent" a -4 RP cost.

Is that correct?

The Gillmen cost would be only 2 RP?!

Gillmen
0 RP Type: Humanoid (gillmen, aquatic)
0 RP Size: Medium
0 RP Base Speed: Normal speed
0 RP Ability Score Modifiers: Standard (+2 Con, +2 Cha, –2 Wis)
0 RP Languages: Standard

Racial Traits:
Defense Racial Traits
2 RP Enchantment Resistance (guessing value of 2)
Movement Racial Traits
2 RP Swim
Weakness Racial Traits
-4 RP Water Dependent
Other Racial Traits
2 RP Amphibious

Am I missing anything here?

Scarab Sages

Actually, based on what I've read elsewhere, Enchantment Resistance is not quite as good as Elven Immunities, so I'd lower that point cost to 1, making the Gillmen cost only 1 RP?!

Gillmen
0 RP Type: Humanoid (gillmen, aquatic)
0 RP Size: Medium
0 RP Base Speed: Normal speed
0 RP Ability Score Modifiers: Standard (+2 Con, +2 Cha, –2 Wis)
0 RP Languages: Standard

Racial Traits:
Defense Racial Traits
1 RP Enchantment Resistance (guessing value of 1)
Movement Racial Traits
2 RP Swim
Weakness Racial Traits
-4 RP Water Dependent
Other Racial Traits
2 RP Amphibious

Am I missing anything here?


Slimehunter also has a lot less bonus than enchantment reisstance does...

Anyway, a lot of the trade-outs are not in fact perfectly balanced RP-wise.

I wish there were RP total and breakdowns for Merfolk, but they probably omitted that since they would be so high...

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