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You are correct. You could buy as many masterworks as you want. What about having MW Thieves Tools and a MW Longsword. Or having enchanted weapons and armor, they're all MW quality. I believe you may only have one MW Transformation active in PFS, but once you get the item upgraded, you can have it on another item.
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I wondered if people were thinking this from the other thread. Masterwork transformation is a spell. You can have only one object subject to that spell (though if you get the item enchanted it no longer counts). You can buy and own any number of masterwork items crafted in the mundane fashion.
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Bahamutkotd, is Signboy77 who you are having the discussion with? If not, there is an identical question in this thread.
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Idk it's a player in my local group. Oh so Something i noticed for the gunslinger gunsmithing class feature. Say you wanted a M/W firearm would you have to transform it. Or could use gunsmithing to upgrade it yourself? And gunsmithing allows you to create items on the firearms list at 10% listed is that ammo only or guns as well?
Lastly to use a wand you have to have the ablity to cast the spell, or UMD? So a Gunslinger w/o a casting class would have to UMD check a wand they created to get Abundant Ammo?
Since I'll be running some First steps and my -1 is at lvl 2 already figured i'd work on a Gm baby gunslinger.
In the gunsmithing description, you can turn your starting firearm into MW quality for 300gp using the gunsmithing feat.
From Additional Resources-The following two feats function differently in Pathfinder Society Organized Play than they do in regular games:
Gunsmithing does not grant the ability to craft firearms, ammunition, or black powder. Rather, it allows the purchase of bullets, pellets, black powder, and alchemical cartridges (with 1 rank in Craft [alchemy]) at the listed reduced price, but does not grant a discount on the purchase of any firearm. Resold items gained through this feat are worth half the actual cost paid, not half the regular market value for the item. No PC can purchase a gun without this feat, even if they possess the Amateur Gunslinger or Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearm) feats.
Per the wand, yes you would have to UMD every time you used it.
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Idk it's a player in my local group. Oh so Something i noticed for the gunslinger gunsmithing class feature. Say you wanted a M/W firearm would you have to transform it. Or could use gunsmithing to upgrade it yourself?
The gunslinger's starting weapon begins with the broken condition for anyone except its owner ("battered") and she can then repair it to make it a masterwork weapon. All other masterwork guns in the world must be crafted as masterwork, in the same way as other items.
And gunsmithing allows you to create items on the firearms list at 10% listed is that ammo only or guns as well?
In PFS (scroll down to Ultimate Combat) Gunsmithing doesn't allow you to craft anything but lets you buy ammunition at 10% of listed cost.
Lastly to use a wand you have to have the ablity to cast the spell, or UMD? So a Gunslinger w/o a casting class would have to UMD check a wand they created to get Abundant Ammo?
One or the other, yes.
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Q: I have a non-masterwork greatsword (50 gp). Can I upgrade it to a +1 weapon?
A: Normally no. Items can not be upgraded to masterwork quality unless you pay for a masterwork transformation spell from Ultimate Magic on the item. (pg 26) Please note, you are only allowed to have one item with this spell that carries over from session to session. Once an item has been enchanted to be a +1, it does not count against the one masterwork transformation item allowed per character.
Hey Gang!
Bahamutkotd is having a discussion with me. I quoted the info that I have been working off of. The way that I have read it is that you can only have one item at a time that can be of masterwork until you upgrade it. Maybe I have been reading this wrong?
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Q: I have a non-masterwork greatsword (50 gp). Can I upgrade it to a +1 weapon?
A: Normally no. Items can not be upgraded to masterwork quality unless you pay for a masterwork transformation spell from Ultimate Magic on the item. (pg 26) Please note, you are only allowed to have one item with this spell that carries over from session to session. Once an item has been enchanted to be a +1, it does not count against the one masterwork transformation item allowed per character.
Hey Gang!
Bahamutkotd is having a discussion with me. I quoted the info that I have been working off of. The way that I have read it is that you can only have one item at a time that can be of masterwork until you upgrade it. Maybe I have been reading this wrong?
Hey Lexica,
Yeah, I think you have been reading it wrong. You can buy any masterwork item/weapon/armor. You cannot upgrade a mundane item to masterwork. You have to sell the mundane item back at 50% cost and then buy the masterwork item, unless you cast Masterwork Transformation on said item. That is what you are allowed to have only one of. The main times MW Transformation is handy is if you want to upgrade an Heirloom Weapon from the Trait, or you don't want to spend the 300+ gp and you have access to the spell.
Hope that helps
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Hey Lexica,Yeah, I think you have been reading it wrong. You can buy any masterwork item/weapon/armor. You cannot upgrade a mundane item to masterwork. You have to sell the mundane item back at 50% cost and then buy the masterwork item, unless you cast Masterwork Transformation on said item. That is what you are allowed to have only one of. The main times MW Transformation is handy is if you want to upgrade an Heirloom Weapon from the Trait, or you don't want to spend the 300+ gp and you have access to the spell.
Hope that helps
Right on! I can work with that answer Hawkwen. Thank you for the explanation.
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You still have to pay the 300 gp don't you, with the spell?
Well, the material component cost for the spell is the same cost as the additional masterwork cost would be for a similar item bought as masterwork.
In addition, if you cannot cast teh spell yourself, you wouild also have to pay a 60 gp (I think) spellcasting fee to get it cast for you each time.
Main benefits for the spell are for heirloom weapons, and non-masterwork but expensive armor (cheaper to use Masterwork Transformation on full plate than selling it back and buying masterwork full plate, for instance).