Rules issue: Using the Breadth of Experience feat to do Day Job

[Veltzeh]

A character who has the feat Breadth of Experience can make profession checks untrained. A Pathfinder Society character can attempt a trained profession check to earn money as a day job.

So, is it acceptable to do a day job roll with some random profession, using the Breadth of Experience feat?

Personally, I'd say no since the day job calls for a "trained check" (and I recall neither craft nor perform can be used untrained for the day job) and the feat allows making an "untrained check". But I want to be sure, so I'm asking!

[kinevon]

No, since you can make Profession checks untrained anyhow. The untrained part of the feat is really for non-Bards using Knowledge skills.

Now, for a trained Profession skill, the +2 would still apply for day job rolls.

[Bbauzh ap Aghauzh]

I don't know exactly how Mike would rule this.

But I disagree with kinevon's interpretation.

For all intents and purposes, you can't make profession checks untrained... not really. Anyone can try to brew beer, sail a ship, or lay bricks. But what you are really doing is making a Wisdom check to succeed.

As such, if you had Breadth of Experience, I'd probably allow you to make a day job check untrained by using some random profession.

[kinevon]

Andrew: If you took a trait that made profession X a class skill and gave you a +1 trait bonus to that skill, do you get that +1 trait bonus if you don't have any ranks in that skill?

If so, then you are using that skill untrained.

[Veltzeh]

kinevon wrote:

No, since you can make Profession checks untrained anyhow. The untrained part of the feat is really for non-Bards using Knowledge skills.

Profession is trained only though. Also, knowledge skills can't (at least normally) be used for day job in PFS, but the issue would probably come up if there's a vanity that allows using a knowledge skill for day job and some character had that...

kinevon wrote:

Now, for a trained Profession skill, the +2 would still apply for day job rolls.

This I do agree with.