Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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Saw it, generally liked it, but...
You know that part in X-Men 3 where Wolverine is sitting by 45,000 hypodermic needles full of anti-mutant-power-serum and, rather than using one to subdue Jean Grey and stopping all that Phoenix s&##, he stabs her?
Same problem. I know it misses the point thematically speaking, but for f&*%'s sake, if a future version of you has a gun, and your only option to stop him is to inflict harm upon yourself (aka, you shoot yourself in the chest to kill him), why not take a half step instead and blow your hand off. Uh oh! No hand = dropped gun = mom lives, kid lives, kill future Bruce Willis and Original Bruce Willis saves the cheerleader and world.
Hey, Sebastian;....your future self called;
never mind. Too damn easy.
IDK; somebody made up a "fan explanation" for the whole Death Star thing.
Apparently it can "blow up a planet," but not a "big gas giant like Yavin......" let the buyer beware, I guess......
I'm sure I could think something up given time and seeing the movie, but I don't care that much......
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I was happy with it until the end. I was even willing to look the other way on the whole "it's a dumb idea to have the loopers kill their future self rather than have them kill the future self of another looper." But when they had close up shots of Bruce Willis's hand holding the gun, and JGL is standing there with a gun capable of blowing his hand to shreds, there's just no excuse for the way the movie ended.
Edit: Er, or maybe not...
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IDK; somebody made up a "fan explanation" for the whole Death Star thing.
Apparently it can "blow up a planet," but not a "big gas giant like Yavin......" let the buyer beware, I guess......
I'm sure I could think something up given time and seeing the movie, but I don't care that much......
What about the ewoks and radioactive wastes raining down on their moon after the destruction of the second Death Star?!?!?
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I bet the mon calamari would've had some shield generator ships in place, to kinda whisk all that crap away.
"It's a trap....."
Somebody's got to care a lot, though, to make up that much hypothetical psychobabble physics. I think it's part of the reason there's never any "time travel" games: could you imagine a bunch of RAWheads trying to argue"what would happen if? "No, f!~* you! You're NOT right just because you're the Time Master! Plus, you've just contradicted yourself! Your future self would agree with me!"
Definitely worse than a paladin thread.
I enjoyed the movie but felt the time travel stuff made about as much sense as that in the Back to the Future movies. Definitely entertaining, but does not hold up to logic.
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I enjoyed the movie but felt the time travel stuff made about as much sense as that in the Back to the Future movies. Definitely entertaining, but does not hold up to logic.
that's because you're not thinking fourth-dimensionally!
;)
After 30 years,
30 years later, your future self gets back, in the process of grabbing you, they kill your wife*. Thus it must be the fault of the new crime boss that is taking over. Wait, wasn't that the original deal anyway? I mean the old crime bosses would have done the same thing. Weren't you keeping track of what year it was and the jewel in your palm flashing?
*Apparently is so hard to get away with killing someone in the future, they have to grab the guy, strap a bunch of silver bars to his back and send him through time to the past to be killed. Yet apparently it is a piece of cake to cover up the murder of the wife of the looper you are grabbing. WTF?
I'm okay with the idea that their time travel works like magic. The problem is that it wasn't a consistent magic. The rules they laid down changed to suit the story, which is something I generally loathe about time travel movies.
But Looper was entertaining nonetheless.
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I'm with Film Critic Hulk. Poking logic holes in a movie is the worst way to criticise it. The movie was successful at all the stuff it attempted to do. It all made sense narratively and is probably the best sci-fi of the past 5 years.
Uh, no.
It's a decent movie, but it's not even in the same league as Inception. It also pales in comparison to the last time travel movie starring Bruce Willis (at least I think it was the last one, but to avoid someone popping in to point out that Bruce Willis played Skier #2 in Hot Tub Time Machine, let's just say that the movie's title rhymes with Shelve Drunkys.)
Haven't seen it, don't plan to until it makes a DVD/Netflix release. Time travel in movies is one of my sticking points. If you're doing it strictly for laughs, than anything goes. If you're trying to be serious then think carefully. Don't write yourself into a paradox. Also, don't end it so I walk out of the theater thinking that if it ended that way I wouldn't have been watching the movie in the first place, because it never would have started.
I do like
I also like the fact that it seemed in the previews that young looper was the really bad and old looper had matured and was really trying to do some good. But in the movie, you actually see old looper is really a horrible person. Young looper, while initially pretty bad himself, still can be redeemed on some level.
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I'm with Film Critic Hulk. Poking logic holes in a movie is the worst way to criticise it. The movie was successful at all the stuff it attempted to do. It all made sense narratively and is probably the best sci-fi of the past 5 years.Uh, no.
It's a decent movie, but it's not even in the same league as Inception. It also pales in comparison to the last time travel movie starring Bruce Willis (at least I think it was the last one, but to avoid someone popping in to point out that Bruce Willis played Skier #2 in Hot Tub Time Machine, let's just say that the movie's title rhymes with Shelve Drunkys.)
To each their own. I enjoyed this 10x more than I enjoyed Inception. Also 12 Monkeys was a great movie, but I wasn't comparing this movie to twelve monkeys. I was saying this movie worked on its own merits. I didn't see any problems with the time travel stuff in this movie. I understood how the cause and effect worked.
As to the ending:
The movie was visually brilliant, excellently written and had masterful acting from all involved. I'd watch it again in a heartbeat.
@Dudemeister
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Young Joe shoots off his right hand in order to make Old Joe drop his gun. Timeline compensates by giving Old Joe thirty years to learn how to shoot left handed. Young Joe now tries to figure out how to shoot of his left hand with his bloody stump.
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Yeah, as others pointed out, he shoots his own hand, not the hand of the old looper.
The timeline didn't seem to convey any special footless driving abilities to the other old looper suffering from time travel related dismemberment, so I don't see why it would prevent the gun from falling out of Old Joe's right hand or suddenly grant him left-handed shooting ability (and, even if it did, the time required to pick up the gun would be sufficiient for Kid Psycho to make it to the cane and hide, thus no longer needing to hide behind his mom, thus meaning she won't get killed in attempting to serve as a human shield).
All young Joe needs to do is prevent Kid Psycho from watching his mom die at that exact moment, and all that entails is delaying Old Joe's shot by a few seconds. There's nothing in the movie to suggest that the timeline will heal itself (i.e., that Old Joe will still kill the mom, just later and using his left hand). If the timeline were self-healing, then stopping Old Joe wouldn't matter - Kid Psycho's mom would still die and he'd still see it. Plus, if Young Joe makes it through, Kid Psycho would likely grow up with a mom and a dad, thus reducing the possibility that he would become the Rainmaker even further, so it's not as if an ending in which Young Joe survives and creates a life in which Old Joe never exists is completely outside the theme of the movie. Young Joe would still be making a selfless choice in blowing off his hand, but it'd be a smarter choice.
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I'm willing to accept the possibility that the movie does have a deep and internally consistent set of time travel rules that are followed and make sense, but are still so confusing that you need to watch the movie 5-6 times and have a flowchart, ala Primer. Finding out what those are and how they work is part of what I enjoy about time travel movies.
@Pres Man re: targeting the Rain Maker. I had the same reaction to that (and the wife getting killed in the future where killing people is so hard they have to resort to time travel instead of bricks and the ocean). At first, I thought Bruce Willis was going to kill the inventor of the time machine because that seemed like a much more direct cause (albeit, one that would prevent him from meeting his future wife).
Maybe the rainmaker is the creator of the time travel machine. Remember the kid could rig up some electrical stuff. Think, if he actually got some good education, what he could do.
I think the reason he decided to shoot and kill himself instead of just maim himself was that he saw not only the consequences of what was about to happen, but also what a totally worthless human being his future self was. If you knew you were going to turn into that person, killing yourself might seem a totally rational idea.
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I just saw it on iTunes.
I loved the movie.
Suggestion of blowing off his hand....then the guys Bruce killed would still be looking for young looper since old looper didn't kill them all.
One major sticky point at the end.
So kid and mommy in un destroyed house, little ice cream type truck with gold wouldn't be present in the corn fields.
Maybe kid started the whole looping thing in first place when his mom was killed and when she wasn't there to prevent him from turning bad.
Still young looper and truck of gold wouldn't be present as well as young looper body to save the kid since old looper never occurred. Young looper would probably already been dead if his backstory didn't happen as he told it with out crime syndicate to recruit him.
One could argue these circles for ever. Back to butterfly effect.
Still really enjoyed the movie though. I know long dead thread.
Sean
That movie is awesome. Just saw it.
There's no way to improve me.
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All right perhaps this is my little nitpick here but did anyone else notice the girl Sara was hip to Loopers? When she says "oh you're a looper" I was like "hmm either she is somehow mixed up with the loopers or maybe she is from the future!" However, as the movie went on its never mentioned again. So that leaves me to believe that Loopers are pretty much common knowledge. That just seemed very odd to me.
did anyone else notice the girl Sara was hip to Loopers?
I noticed that! My first reaction was "huh, interesting." And then I proceed to completely forget about it (and no, I didn't write the script :p).
