Seems like we had a lot of words but few concrete proposals from both parties. 'Where's the beef?'
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Well, they nominated candidates for the election.
Comrade Anklebiter wrote: Well, they nominated candidates for the election. Made money for the convention center/hotels/resturants in the area.
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Martin Sheaffer wrote: Comrade Anklebiter wrote: Well, they nominated candidates for the election. Made money for the convention center/hotels/resturants/hookers in the area. FIFY
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Comrade Anklebiter wrote: Martin Sheaffer wrote: Comrade Anklebiter wrote: Well, they nominated candidates for the election. Made money for the convention center/hotels/resturants/hookers/Drug dealers in the area. FIFY Fixed it more.
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They managed to tick me off with the whole "God in the platform" thing. Sent a copy of the same email to both the Democrat and Republican National Committees expressing my views. I'm sure in a couple of weeks I'll get a carefully worded email back from both of them thanking me for my opinion, expressing theirs in empty platitudes, and from then on I'll get a glut of emails from them both asking for money.
The democrats are winning, so they don't want to rock the boat.
The republicans plan is trickle down economics, but they can't admit that.
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Conventions are where they formalise the nomination process and and motivate the party faithful.
In that sense they did exactly what they were supposed to do.
And occaisonally you get some revealing moments.
* N.J. Governer Chris Christie keynotes the convention and eventually remembers that he's not the one accepting the nomination.
* The Democrats have arguments about taking God off their platform and then putting him and Jerusalem back in.
* Clint Eastwood demonstrates that he can interrogate an empty chair. Even if it swears at him. Barrack Obama's response. A photo of the back of his chair chaptioned, "This seat's taken."
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BigNorseWolf wrote: The democrats are winning, so they don't want to rock the boat.
The republicans plan is trickle down economics, but they can't admit that.
Well the republicans know that a lot of Americans are in favor of the Democratic platform so they're falling back to a tried and true strategy.
Keep them from voting.
LazarX wrote: BigNorseWolf wrote: The democrats are winning, so they don't want to rock the boat.
The republicans plan is trickle down economics, but they can't admit that.
Well the republicans know that a lot of Americans are in favor of the Democratic platform so they're falling back to a tried and true strategy.
Keep them from voting. And lie. Both about Democrats and about what they plan. And about your marathon time. Because you're lying anyway, so why not.
And keep them good and scared.
thejeff wrote:
And lie.
I believe that's called politics.
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote: thejeff wrote:
And lie.
I believe that's called politics. Yeah, but usually there's a degree of finesse and plausibility.
The Republicans are getting more and more blatant. It's like they know the media won't call them on it.
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thejeff wrote: Tiny Coffee Golem wrote: thejeff wrote:
And lie.
I believe that's called politics. Yeah, but usually there's a degree of finesse and plausibility.
The Republicans are getting more and more blatant. It's like they know the media won't call them on it. Both sides are getting more blatant about it, because the media won't call them on it due to the nature of news in today's world -- news pieces all too frequently come from an issued press release, not from investigative reporting (since the latter costs actual money). The right may have been ahead of the curve, but the left has closed the gap significantly.
Actually, I think the convention did have one very important revelation: There is (FINALLY!) a point where the lies reach the point that the media will actually evolve , if not a spine, then at least a piece of cartilage to start suggesting that you're "overreaching"
No convention ever accomplishes anything on its face. Conventions as a whole though, are very productive for those who are privy to the area behind the scenes, and I am very sure many people in both parties walked away rubbing their hands together in glee after a back room deal or three.
The public side of any convention is typically little more than a rah-rah cheer leading session.
As far as one side or the other "being ahead" that remains to be seen. According to all of the most respected polls, the country appears to be split almost perfectly in half...on everything.
thunderspirit wrote: thejeff wrote: Tiny Coffee Golem wrote: thejeff wrote:
And lie.
I believe that's called politics. Yeah, but usually there's a degree of finesse and plausibility.
The Republicans are getting more and more blatant. It's like they know the media won't call them on it. Both sides are getting more blatant about it, because the media won't call them on it due to the nature of news in today's world -- news pieces all too frequently come from an issued press release, not from investigative reporting (since the latter costs actual money). The right may have been ahead of the curve, but the left has closed the gap significantly. These quantity things are very hard to provide evidence for, since both sides do lie or stretch the truth, so examples don't cut it, actual analysis would need to be done.
That said, and acknowledging my biases, the difference between the quantity and blatentcy (is that a word?) of the lies at the Democratic and Republican Conventions seems pretty stark.
Compare Ryan's speech to Clinton's for example.
BigNorseWolf wrote: Actually, I think the convention did have one very important revelation: There is (FINALLY!) a point where the lies reach the point that the media will actually evolve , if not a spine, then at least a piece of cartilage to start suggesting that you're "overreaching"
Which convention? Both?
I saw some of that after the Republican convention, especially for Ryan's speech.
I haven't had the chance to pay as much attention to the coverage of the DNC.
Of course, if they don't attack the Democrats with equal fervor they'll be smeared as "the liberal media", even if the Democrats aren't being as bad. Equally of course, they'll be smeared as the liberal media anyway.
As for the actual title question:
Polling has failed to show any statistically significant Republican boost from their convention.
It'll be a few days before it'll be clear if the Democratic one had an effect on the polls.
It's also hard to tell if such a bounce really lasts or makes a difference in the final outcome.
Thejeff wrote: Which convention? Both? Paul Ryans speech. I hope the ensuing fight is enough to show the media that just because someone is criticizing you doesn't mean you're wrong. Just because you're fighting doesn't mean you're the one being immature about it.
BigNorseWolf wrote: Thejeff wrote: Which convention? Both? Paul Ryans speech. I hope the ensuing fight is enough to show the media that just because someone is criticizing you doesn't mean you're wrong. Just because you're fighting doesn't mean you're the one being immature about it. How about when you're just telling bald faced lies.? Such as when Ryan said that Obama was against a committee that he himself voted against.
LazarX wrote: BigNorseWolf wrote: Thejeff wrote: Which convention? Both? Paul Ryans speech. I hope the ensuing fight is enough to show the media that just because someone is criticizing you doesn't mean you're wrong. Just because you're fighting doesn't mean you're the one being immature about it. How about when you're just telling bald faced lies.? Such as when Ryan said that Obama was against a committee that he himself voted against. Ah yes, Simpson-Bowles. We owe Ryan a debt for helping shoot that disaster down. Of course he opposed it because it wasn't draconian enough. Didn't cut future health care spending and "relies too heavily on revenue increases."
But it was a "Serious" bipartisan commission and its report must be taken seriously, even if it was only a draft. The committee rejected it. The media promptly took it up and spent a lot of time criticizing the President for ignoring it. Which he didn't. It's been used as a basis for all sorts of proposals.
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