well sum races do not allow serten races so can we make it so sum races can not cum in are city?
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Fantasy racism aside, I do wonder if gnomes will make it into the game. Out of the traditional core races, they always seem to be the first to get cut from the roster. DDO has even expanded to cover half-orcs, while leaving only halflings to represent size small. I certainly hope they'll include the gnomes before adding drow, in any case.
I know James has mentioned a couple of times on the Ask James Jacobs thread that he personally likes Gnomes...so maybe we *will* see them. Fingers are crossed for that. I love Gnomes. In fact, I want some Tiny races (like Faerie or Sprite) to play!!
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Fantasy racism aside, I do wonder if gnomes will make it into the game. Out of the traditional core races, they always seem to be the first to get cut from the roster. DDO has even expanded to cover half-orcs, while leaving only halflings to represent size small. I certainly hope they'll include the gnomes before adding drow, in any case.
I also second this. at least from what I hear, I'm pretty sure the core races are all intended, and that non-core/monsterous races are overall not in plans. In pathfinder I believe there is a more reasonable shot. Even one of the iconics (Lini the druid) is a gnome. Which considering the tech demo seems to be working with mostly iconics, I would say there is even a possibility we'll see a gnome in the tech demo.
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Quick question: I'd assume Gnomes being a lot smaller, are physically A LOT weaker than other races as a baseline starting position and also have a lower *maximum ceiling* of physical strength they can aspire to as well?
Not sure how it works with Pathfinder?
I've got to say, looking at GW2 and the great job they did with ensuring the races are all different morphologies and scale of height differences is extremely discernable, YET for balancing purposes the equivalent gnome is same speed/strength as the largest race you can choose eg a 3ft creatures == 8ft creature.
I find that to be very jarring. Conversely a Gnome would suit acts of stealth with it's small size.
How does it work and how should it work in PfO?
I hope that gnomes aren't forced into the roll of looking all cute and whimsical like something pulled out of the world of Dr. Seuss. I'd love to play a gnome, but only if I can design a character that looks at least a bit dignified.
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Just curious, but how many would support a more Tolkien-esque vision of Gnomes? I really love the name "Gnome" because of its relation to "gnosis" and knowledge. But I can't bring myself to play races that seem to exist primarily for comic relief.
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Just curious, but how many would support a more Tolkien-esque vision of Gnomes? I really love the name "Gnome" because of its relation to "gnosis" and knowledge. But I can't bring myself to play races that seem to exist primarily for comic relief.
Despite how they've maybe been perceived, but Golarion Gnomes are not actually purely for comic relief. They are more akin to a fey-race than any other, and while that does relate to a certain mischievousness, its not that we should be laughing at the Gnome, but that the Gnome prolly did something messed up and funny. The Fey of Golarion have an inherently alien view of life, and as such can often have very dangerous perspectives on what's funny and what's boring.
Gones are driven, biologically, towards experiencing new things and having adventures, and if they go through extended periods of boredom, they can actually die (after losing all color, called Bleaching). If we can expect flavor to translate to PFO, it would be cool to have a Gnome character that stayed logged off to slowing go monochromatic :D.
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Just curious, but how many would support a more Tolkien-esque vision of Gnomes? I really love the name "Gnome" because of its relation to "gnosis" and knowledge. But I can't bring myself to play races that seem to exist primarily for comic relief.
I don't think PFO should be dramatically rewriting the established lore of Golarion. Whatever final form the races of Golarion end up in, it should be something where Pathfinder enthusiasts can look at it and say:
"Oh yeah I recognize that. They adapted this race into their new system pretty well."
Not:
"What the hell? That's nothing like a Pathfinder Gnome!"
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hatever final form the races of Golarion end up in, it should be something where Pathfinder enthusiasts can look at it and say:
"Oh yeah I recognize that. They adapted this race into their new system pretty well."
I totally agree. I'm really just curious what people think of tall gnomes in general. Sorry that wasn't clear. I'm definitely not trying to get PFO to deviate from Pathfinder lore.
A tall gnome? Eh, I don't get it.
A gnome that has actual dignity and can do something besides being cute and child like? That I could get behind.
I'd like to see gnomes with more definition in their faces- age lines, heavy brows, scars, plus cruel and alien features to boot. I guess my main fear is that we end up with WoW style gnomes.
The exotic skin and hair colors will be fun to play with. One perk to being a gnome is that you're not pushed into being white like elves or black like some humans or green like orcs. And while that could lead to a lot of crazy anime style characters (pink skin, purple hair, etc.) the mutability of their features could probably lead down some cool roads that don't totally blow. For instance, camouflaged green rangers or stone gray wizards.
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I don't think short necessarily means comical or that gnomes in Pathfinder have to play a comical role. I mean really, who considers Napoleon or Attila The Hun to be comical characters? Even with is strange way of speaking I think even Yoda is not perceived in a comical fashion aside from his first few scenes in The Empire Strikes Back where he seems to be hiding his true self. Certainly a less comical character than Hagrid or Han Solo.
I know at least for my part a will perceive a gnome as seriously or comically as their roleplay portrays them. If they play the absent minded alchemist, or mischievous rouge I probably will view them as comical but if they play the wise sorcerer, or devout cleric I will view them in a much less comical light.
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One of my players devised a Gnome Cavalier that rode a Forest Ape as his mount. He played him arrogant and cocky as the day is long, and with a complete dedication to his goals and attitude but the inherent comedy of the concept made for some awesome storytelling. Best Gnome to date!
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Just curious, but how many would support a more Tolkien-esque vision of Gnomes? I really love the name "Gnome" because of its relation to "gnosis" and knowledge. But I can't bring myself to play races that seem to exist primarily for comic relief.
We already have tall and serious Tolkien-gnomes; they're called "elves".
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Quick question: I'd assume Gnomes being a lot smaller, are physically A LOT weaker than other races as a baseline starting position and also have a lower *maximum ceiling* of physical strength they can aspire to as well?
Not sure how it works with Pathfinder?
Halfings are the smallest base race after gnomes. Both have a -2 Str in the book. As they will have attributes in PFO which will affect your skill training times I would assume a gnome would take slightly longer to train Str based skills vs a Elf if their base stats (before racial adjustment) were the same. Will they have a lower cap on Str vs other races? Maybe, maybe not. It really won't matter as it seems so far all your "power" will come from your trained skills more than your attributes. This is all guess work btw. Take it with salt.
Personally I'd love to see goblins as playable.. but I seriously doubt thats going to happen :P