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I have a fellow group member who is taking this PrC. Bear in mind this PrC fits with our campaign and befits this players character. My question is about the level 5 ability Undeath Initiate (Ex).
The player in question believes that he can become both a Lich and Vampire simultaneously applying both templates. I notice that the last sentence in this ability's description states.."This makes transformation into a lich AND and vampire among the most appealing options for an agent of the grave seeking undeath." emphases mine. On the surface it seems that that is what this ability allows, but the mechanics of placing both these templates on one person seem hard to make happen. My question is:
1. Is this how this ability is supposed to work?
2. If yes then HOW! lol
Thx...
Hmm... sounds more like they mean either. For example, "This makes transformation into a lich AND transformation into a vampire among the most popular..."
Agreed with MurphysParadox. That "and" was either meant to be an "or" or it was just bad and unclear parsing on the writer's part.
That PC is on the verge of being dangerously cheesy.
If that -were- the case then we'd be seeing more lich-pires in the bad guys' ranks, since that ability even acknowledges that such a choice would be popular in the game world.
I'm just wondering why the DM allowed the PC to take the prestige class in the first place. It's not really meant for PCs/Heroes.
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Are the PCs Whispering Way? or former Whispering Way? Because it's a secret art known only to mid/high-level cultists. Otherwise, bad form giving it to him.
Also, becoming a Lich is supposed to be an extremely hazardous and tricky process- generally speaking, failure should be MUCH more likely than success. That's why there are a couple thousand Liches running around, and each one is dangerous and powerful by themselves.
Carrion Crown doesn't offer the time to research and experiment that is REQUIRED to become a Lich- it's something that people generally spend years carefully researching and playing with.
To answer your original question: they would technically work by gameplay terms, but what this would like look is...not something I'd speculate on.
He's outright misreading the power if he thinks it lets him become a vampire-lich.
Undead initiate gives the Agent of the Grave a +5 bonus to any check to help become undead, and guarantees that the Agent will retain their Intelligence score and their free will if they turn into an undead. But they still lose all class level upon transformation unless they become a type of undead that specifically keeps it class levels, like ghost, vampire, or lich.
Ghost is kinda hard to intentionally turn into. But an Agent will have +5 on the checks required to become a lich, or if he lets a vampire ally chomp him he'll rise as a free-willed vampire and keep on rocking.
So lich and vampire are the two best options for him, but he isn't going to be both. And if I pulled off lich, I wouldn't want vampire anyways - being a lich that dies in sunlight would be really, really embarrassing.