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I've seen Grappled described in a variety of ways since the PfRPG came out - by players and developers alike - as everything from mid-way into a wrestle to just grabbed. I was trying to clarify this in my head and came up with the idea of separating Grappled into two, more clearly delineated conditions - Grabbed and Grappled. Grabbed would just fit into the existing progression, meaning it would take 3 steps rather that 2 to pin someone. First they're Grabbed, then Grappled, then Pinned.

Thoughts? Reactions?

Reverse engineering from Grappled and Pinned, I get:

Grabbed: A grabbed creature is forcibly held by a creature, trap, or effect. Grabbed creatures cannot move freely but may take a 5' step as long as they remain adjacent to creature, trap or effect that has grabbed them. A grappled creature takes a –2 penalty to Dexterity and an additional –2 penalty on all attack rolls and combat maneuver checks, except those made to grapple or escape a grab/grapple. A creatures may be able to take actions that requires two hands to perform, depending on where they have been grabbed. A grabbed character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level), or lose the spell. Grabbed creatures can make attacks of opportunity.

So it is totally just a lesser form of Grappled. What do you think? Would it add anything to the Grapple-Pin chain to have a 3rd step? First I grab you, then I get you into a grapple, then I pin you?

Couple of questions if I move forward with this:

1) Two-handed actions- Is it worth it, and how would I, distinguish between a Grab that grabs a leg or the back of a shirt, etc. vs. a Grab that grabs an arm and makes two-handed actions impossible (like Grapple/Pin)? Would the attacked have to target an arm? Would there be a penalty for doing so because it's a specific target? [Called Shots say targeting an arm is -2, but Sunder and Disarm don't apply any penalty for targeting specific objects or weapons.]

2) Reach- Not even entirely sure how this interacts with regular Grapple. If a critter has reach and it grapples you from afar, are you grappled where you stood, or are you automatically moved toward the critter? If I let Grabbed creatures take a 5' step that has to be adjacent to the grabber, and the grabber was using reach, the 5' step could logically be anywhere adjacent to the location on the grid where he was Grabbed, right? [I'm thinking of a long tentacle reaching out an grabbing an arm - you can flail around where you were standing.]

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