Would a Rogue or Ninja worshipping Pharasma be unusual? It was clear that adventurers who worship her are usually Necromancers or Clerics, and I don't think Norgorber would be a good patron for my characters even though his portfolio (spying, poison, secrets) fits both my Ninja characters much better than other deities. The problem comes from the fact that one of those Ninjas is Neutral Good. Also, would a Rogue or Ninja worshipping Sivanah be a bit of a stretch, or does it make sense?
I don't see why character class has to limit what deities a person may worship.
As long as they believe in what that god stands for and its teachings you are god. It gets a point when you move to far from the Gods Al that you do not really believe in all that. More like lip service then real belief.
What class you are does not matter as long as you believe in the same goals.
Considering the character concept and the stuff you two have said, I guess I have nothing to worry about. One worships Shelyn, the other worships Irori. And I am done.
I would play it is a good "assassin" with a mission to send things that try to cheat death to her judgment.That would seem to point the assassin towards PvP since those are the guys most commonly cheating death.
Think he means the undead not players.
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Who rogues and ninjas worship is about as important as who wizards and bards worship. Consider the plight of the CE bard who loves beauty, especially if it belongs to him. Should he worship Shelyn because she's beautiful despite her being a "nice girl"? Should he worship Calistria who's kind of sexy but mean but really not as evil as he is? Should he worship Lamashtu because they're on the same page alignment-wise even though three-eyed jackal-headed pregnant demon goddesses aren't his personal kink?
If you're not a cleric, a paladin, or an oracle, it really doesn't much matter. The gods tend not to do much one way or another for those who aren't clerics, and if you die, it's Pharasma's business to figure out what to do with a bard who checks "Shelyn" on his worshipper form, and creates beautiful music and art when he isn't being a lying, cheating, womanizing, murderous, CE sociopath.
Same question with the nice ninja who worships Norgorber.
Kevin's got a good point here. I guess this issue is now fully resolved.
And now that this question has been answered, I've started thinking about something else. What would a Paladin of Irori be like?
I would play it is a good "assassin" with a mission to send things that try to cheat death to her judgment.
or evil and send those blasphemers who cheat Death by Raise Dead, etc. and send them back to the Gray Lady's bosom...
Good and evil? I vote for a neutral assassin for some balancing here. =P
(Also, I never, EVER expected seeing the word "bosom" being used here. Must be my inner pervert laughing at that fact.)
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Kevin's got a good point here. I guess this issue is now fully resolved.
And now that this question has been answered, I've started thinking about something else. What would a Paladin of Irori be like?
Faiths of Balance states that there are no Irorian Paladins. That's most likely due to overtly egoistic nature of Irori's teachings (perfect yourself, achieve transcendence, screw everything else).
There are Paladins of Abadar, tho.
I guess that means the entry I saw is out-dated or then we have conflicting sources until someone fixes this issue with an official statement.
Here's my source. http://www.pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Tempering_Hall
"Despite this tension with Iomedae, followers of her faith allow paladins of Irori to train in their Tempering Hall in Absalom."
Then again, a paladin of Irori does sound a bit odd as a character concept. Unless you start to multi-class as a paladin/monk (or just play a Lawful Good monk).
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I guess that means the entry I saw is out-dated or then we have conflicting sources until someone fixes this issue with an official statement.
Here's my source. http://www.pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Tempering_Hall
"Despite this tension with Iomedae, followers of her faith allow paladins of Irori to train in their Tempering Hall in Absalom."
Then again, a paladin of Irori does sound a bit odd as a character concept. Unless you start to multi-class as a paladin/monk (or just play a Lawful Good monk).
I guess that this is one of those few Golarion elements (such as Paladins of Asmodeus, Darklight Sisterhood or dragons as regular tavern patrons) which got swept away as James and Erik solidified their vision of the setting. Guide to Absalom comes from 2008, back when the setting was in infancy and J&E didn't exercise as much creative control over freelancers as they do now. Ever since, several elements of the setting were retconned or dropped altogether. There's no mention of Tempering Hall in neither the Campaign Setting or PF Field Guide Absalom chapter.
Never heard of the Darklight Sisterhood or of draconic patrons for taverns, but I guess it doesn't matter since they're as much a retcon as Asmodean Paladins. Anyway, thanks for clarifying that. Also, maybe your post should be put up at the FAQ? I have no idea how that system works, but I'm sure someone could give it a shot.
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Faiths of Balance states that there are no Irorian Paladins. That's most likely due to overtly egoistic nature of Irori's teachings (perfect yourself, achieve transcendence, screw everything else).Kevin's got a good point here. I guess this issue is now fully resolved.
And now that this question has been answered, I've started thinking about something else. What would a Paladin of Irori be like?
More precisely, FoB states that "Of all the gods of balance, only one supports and promotes a holy order of paladins: Abadar."
Depending on your take on the Paladin's class, it means either that Irorian Paladins do not exist at all, or that they are very few and far between, relying on Clerics of Irori rather than a whole established order of Paladins for teaching them the best way to follow their deity's will.
Personally, I am all for players being allowed to play whatever they want as long as it does not threaten the suspension of disbelief. So Paladins of Irori are ok in my book.
Also, Mark Moreland mentioned playing a Monk/Paladin of Irori in Karui Kage's Serpent Skull in his blog post of Friday, November 5, 2010 : Art is safe.
I'd do paladins of Irori as helping others to achieve enlightenment, and defending against threats to the same.
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Considering that Pharasma is the Goddess of Death and Fate--
Anyone having a healthy respect (or unhealthy obsession) with Death and/or Fate could be a worshiper of Pharasma. What alignment the character is relative to the deity is irrelevant if the character is not one of the classes whose powers and/or mechanics require a specific alignment relative to his/her deity (the character could even be way off from his/her deity, and still sincerely believe in that deity-- whether anyone else takes him or her seriously is another matter).
Now (as others have observed) whether Pharasma (and her Clerics) are likely to have any respect for the worshiper (or consider him/her to just be paying "lip service") depends a lot more on the worshiper's attitude, actions, and all-around behavior.
I do think, however, it is relevant to a character's personality and back/present story which deity or deities he or she honors (or if he/she honors none), regardless of whether there are any mechanical/game-rules effects for the character or not.