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You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension - a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into the Pathfinder Point Buy Zone.

The hero's of literature, movies, sports figures, and real life personalities are all created equal, this is after all the Pathfinder Pt Buy Zone. Create these "hero's" with only 20 pts and all no higher than starting level

Conan

Gandalf

Aragorn

Bilbo Baggins

King Arthur

Merlin

Julies Caesar

Martin Luther King

JFK

Albert Einstein

Peyton Manning

John Elway

Larry Bird

Babe Ruth

Lou Fragigno

Joan of Arc

William Wallace

Henry V

Henry VIII

Patton

William Rommel

Micheal Jordan

Jesus

Gandhi

Tarzan

Bruce Lee

George W Bush

Barak Obama

This is after all a place of equality and ALL are created equal

Have fun with just 20 pts


What if they don't deserve 20 points?


IceniQueen wrote:
The hero's of literature, movies, sports figures, and real life personalities are all created equal, this is after all the Pathfinder Pt Buy Zone. Create these "hero's" with only 20 pts and all no higher than starting level

There are a number of flawed premises here.

1) It's not stated anywhere that every character in the Pathfinder universe is "20 points". Or equal to each other. I personally have always assumed it varies, and that at "20 points", the PCs were on the high end of point-values - but not the extreme.

2) Pathfinder has - excluding Strength - very few ways to compare stats to real-world figures. There's no good examples of "how Charismatic" a 16 Charisma is. Was MLK Jr an 18? Was Ghandi? Or were they "16s", allowing for even <more> charismatic fantasy figures? What if they were just "15's".

3) Many of those figures, at the point that they were legendary, would have additional levels or HD. At 1st level, they all "sucked", by definition - they were first level. When they got to 4th level, they sucked much less - as they were 4th level.

TL;DR - This is only a problem if you make it a problem; the difficulty here is the constraints you put on the design process, not the idea of point-value characters (or even level advancement).


I'm not going to argue the premise because, like a lot of nerds over the history of the game, my friends and I have statted up many a hero from both real life and fiction over the years.

But I will praise you for putting Tarzan on the list. Once, way back in the mid-nineties, I attempted to stat him as a ranger, and my two friends Jason and Jason, tried to tell me I was crazy.

But come on... Tarzan totally has levels in ranger.

I notice Robin Hood is not on the list. Is this because of the alignment arguments? Robin Hood is totally NG, by the way. He only breaks the law when the Prince and Sheriff twist it for evil uses. Before and after that he followed the King's just law to the letter as a soldier and a lord.

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Bruunwald wrote:

I'm not going to argue the premise because, like a lot of nerds over the history of the game, my friends and I have statted up many a hero from both real life and fiction over the years.

But I will praise you for putting Tarzan on the list. Once, way back in the mid-nineties, I attempted to stat him as a ranger, and my two friends Jason and Jason, tried to tell me I was crazy.

But come on... Tarzan totally has levels in ranger.

I notice Robin Hood is not on the list. Is this because of the alignment arguments? Robin Hood is totally NG, by the way. He only breaks the law when the Prince and Sheriff twist it for evil uses. Before and after that he followed the King's just law to the letter as a soldier and a lord.

Actually... I was just popping names on randomly

Robin Hood would be a great one as would be many others I did not add.

"Ben Kent' wrote:


There are a number of flawed premises here.
1) It's not stated anywhere that every character in the Pathfinder universe is "20 points". Or equal to each other. I personally have always assumed it varies, and that at "20 points", the PCs were on the high end of point-values - but not the extreme.

2) Pathfinder has - excluding Strength - very few ways to compare stats to real-world figures. There's no good examples of "how Charismatic" a 16 Charisma is. Was MLK Jr an 18? Was Ghandi? Or were they "16s", allowing for even <more> charismatic fantasy figures? What if they were just "15's".

3) Many of those figures, at the point that they were legendary, would have additional levels or HD. At 1st level, they all "sucked", by definition - they were first level. When they got to 4th level, they sucked much less - as they were 4th level.

TL;DR - This is only a problem if you make it a problem; the difficulty here is the constraints you put on the design process, not the idea of point-value characters (or even level advancement).

Actually if you played 1st ed they DO state comparisons. Hitler and Julius Caesar would both have been an 18. It also said something along the lines as Star Athletes and dancers would be 18, and guys like Einstein would be 18. So yes there are comparisons.

As for the level... even at level 8 or 12 or 16 it would not matter that much as that is 4 PT's to add.

My point to all of this is... I see people say PT buy is fair. Well... what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Adventures are not equal. not Conan to Aragorn to Henry V to Gandhi.

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http://www.thealexandrian.net/archive/archive2007-03.html

A good example especially the part on Aragorn

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