So, are England really the best in the world now?


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We're going to beat India but they don't look amazing. South Africa are still going strong aren't they? And what about the Aussies?
Can we beat India like this in India anyway?

Geoffrey Boycott reckons we are the best now but added the caveat: "along with South Africa."


GeraintElberion wrote:

We're going to beat India but they don't look amazing. South Africa are still going strong aren't they? And what about the Aussies?

Can we beat India like this in India anyway?

Geoffrey Boycott reckons we are the best now but added the caveat: "along with South Africa."

Of course we're the best. We always have been and always will be. Even when we're not actually winning. And not just at cricket, either. Britain is supreme in all things, and always shall be.

So bring on the traitorous convicts and Boers so that we may give them the sound thrashing they so richly deserve.

Tally-ho, all.

Igor, make sure we have the onyx and WG Grace's bones ready this time. Just in case.

Silver Crusade

I think England are the best test playing nation in the world at the moment. They have strength in depth in both the batting and the bowling, a long tail with batting down to 11, bowlers who are dangerous no matter who they pick and batsmen who rarely fail to post 400 runs in an innings.

The only team that comes close is South Africa and even then I doubt that they would beat England in a test series. As for Australia, well England went there last winter and absolutely spanked them so really I don't see them as in the same class.

The obvious proviso is that this only counts for test cricket, England are still distinctly average when it comes to the shorter forms of the game.

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FallofCamelot wrote:

I think England are the best test playing nation in the world at the moment. They have strength in depth in both the batting and the bowling, a long tail with batting down to 11, bowlers who are dangerous no matter who they pick and batsmen who rarely fail to post 400 runs in an innings.

The only team that comes close is South Africa and even then I doubt that they would beat England in a test series. As for Australia, well England went there last winter and absolutely spanked them so really I don't see them as in the same class.

The obvious proviso is that this only counts for test cricket, England are still distinctly average when it comes to the shorter forms of the game.

Yes and no. We're average but entertaining at ODIs, however we are reinging world T20 Champions.

As for being best Test nation, yes I feel we've earned that. We drew with the Saffers away in 09-10, we crushed the Aussies last winter, and now we're beating India handily at home. Yes, they have been suffering from injuries, but the batting line up in this third test is probably their first choice, and it took a good partnership from Dohni & Kumar to mean we didn't knock it out for sub 150...

Silver Crusade

Something still gives me pause about England's T20 team even if they are world champions.

Let's not forget that England have had injuries to Tremlett and Trott as well. The point is that England can call on Tim Bresnan and Ravi Bopara to replace those players whilst India have nothing to replace Zaheer Khan and Verider Sehwag.

Sovereign Court

I guess I'm just a bit wary because of the false dawn a few years ago.
I'm also struggling with all of the cake talk on TMS. Makes me very hungry.

Would they still beat a rested India, in India?


I'm assuming this is soccer. :P I like ot watch girls' soccer, but that is about it anymore.


soccer? what is that?

anyway - should Cook be dropped for batting so slowly or what?
;-)

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Pual wrote:

soccer? what is that?

anyway - should Cook be dropped for batting so slowly or what?
;-)

Assumptions are awesome.

Yeah, out of the side, only losers fail to make 300...

TMS had crazy amounts of sympathy for Bopara - ex-players feel his pain, poor dab.

I didn't really understand what was going on with the light though, maybe all of that fannying about can be blamed for Cook's run-rate dropping off?


Given some of the blunders the England (men's) test side have recently made (including letting Dhoni and the Indian tail practically double their score for the last three wickets in the Indian's first innings of the current Edgbaston test) I think the fact that they may be about to take the number one spot in the test rankings says more about the lamentable state of their current match-weary, injury-hit, rivals than about their own purported strength.

If England can beat a recuperated India in India and at least draw test series home and away against South Africa it would look to me a lot more convincing in terms of their actually meriting the rank.

As for shorter forms of the game... The England men performed abysmally in the recent 50 over world cup, and I'd be surprised if their 20/20 dominance doesn't slip now that they've lost Collingwood (who besides being a good captain for that form of the game could bat, bowl and field).

Anyway; I currently doubt they're the best in any form of the game. Maybe in test cricket as some of the players improve and mature...


Australia have a lot of rebuilding to do. On top of that we pick the most ass-hatish people for captain I don't see us ruling the cricket world for a few years to come.


Well, the England men's test side have defeated India and will now, mathematically, go top of the test rankings...
To sound a note of caution before the celebrations break out, England beat Australia 2-1 in the 2005 Ashes series. One of the best bowlers in the world of the time, Glen McGrath, was absent from both the matches England won, having stepped on a ball during a warm-up exercise for the Edgbaston test and missing Trent Bridge with an injured elbow, and when England next went down under the result was a 0-5 series whitewash by an Australian side fully fit and hungry for some payback...
If India recover and can similarly motivate themselves, England's visit to India could see some hard-fought spicy games. :D


Update:
Well, despite resistence from Tendulkar and Mishra that's the 4-0 series whitewash. Michael Vaughan just saying on TMS how much he thought India missed Zaheer Khan.

One days and twenty twenty matches aside, here comes a winter tour to play tests against Sri Lanka and Pakistan.
Then we'll see if England can match where the statistics says they are... :)

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