i am running etcr
i am going to nix the raving nymph pg 68 (I own the book) and go with a direwolf werewolf king barbarian or a werebear king with a huge weapon hammer great axe ect i want them to bleed for this victory.
can any body out there help me make a stat block for that
cr 9-10 please if possible
do ijust start with a werecreature add all the special attacks it's base animal gets. then add the levels in what ever class i want.
if the bear has a 23 str does the hybrid form have the 23 str? do all bears in pathfinder have 23 str? or is there a ability modifier
like all were bears get +8 str +4 con
a few questions i don't want to make my werebearking 2 powerful about level 5 is the most class leveled monster my party has come across. a hag cleric, level 5 priest.
a grizzly bear is cr 4
adding the lycanthrope is +1 cr
then i have maybe 2-3 levels o barbarian to add?
total of cr 8-9 is this 2 powerful?
or maybe a few more levels?
also any suggestions to barbarians rage powers?
thinking maybe monk instead? take advantage of that wisdom bump?
I can attack with my claws has a wearbear? instead of fists correct?
debating a werebear barbarian? or a werebear monk any pros or caons?
the barbarian will be better hit but lower ac
and the monk will be lower hit but higher ac,
of course if i wasnt talking to my self this would not be an exercise in futility
thinking maybe monk instead? take advantage of that wisdom bump?
I can attack with my claws has a wearbear? instead of fists correct?debating a werebear barbarian? or a werebear monk any pros or caons?
the barbarian will be better hit but lower ac
and the monk will be lower hit but higher ac,of course if i wasnt talking to my self this would not be an exercise in futility
+1 thinking monk will be the best choice
he will be a naked wearbear that fits
Give him some pups. Litter the field with CR2 were-creatures. They are there more as ambiance and terrain than they are opponents in their own right. But that kind of terrain can really make things more difficult on the PCs (assume the crowd naturally parts for their leader). Also makes the fight feel awesome.
As for CR ranges, preparation and context matters a ton. Are the PCs going to be surprised for this fight? Or are they going to be able to buff and buy arrows of were-bane? Are they going to encounter this BBEG after a long and draining dungeon crawl, or is this happening on a full rest and thus full spell load?
Assuming this fight is happening in a vaccuum, you need to make the boss at least 3 CRs higher than the party's level if you want a challenge. Honestly I'd go with 5 CRs higher if you "want them to bleed."
If there's context (ie a preceeding dungeon) or its an ambush, then you can go with a lower CR.
thinking maybe monk instead? take advantage of that wisdom bump?
I can attack with my claws has a wearbear? instead of fists correct?debating a werebear barbarian? or a werebear monk any pros or caons?
the barbarian will be better hit but lower ac
and the monk will be lower hit but higher ac,of course if i wasnt talking to my self this would not be an exercise in futility
+1 thinking monk will be the best choice
he will be a naked wearbear that fits
It's thematically weird. A werebear shouldn't be doing quivering palm and relying on the ability to move 70ft in a round (and if ignore that, then you're not playing to the Monk's strengths). Do you have the APG? I'd recommend you go for Invulnerable Rager, or if you really want him naked, then Savage Barbarian. The new Rage Powers are fun, and more interesting things for the PCs to come up against than Monk stuff, IMO.
It's thematically weird. A werebear shouldn't be doing quivering palm and relying on the ability to move 70ft in a round (and if ignore that, then you're not playing to the Monk's strengths). Do you have the APG? I'd recommend you go for Invulnerable Rager, or if you really want him naked, then Savage Barbarian. The new Rage Powers are fun, and more interesting things for the PCs to come up against than Monk stuff, IMO.thinking maybe monk instead? take advantage of that wisdom bump?
I can attack with my claws has a wearbear? instead of fists correct?debating a werebear barbarian? or a werebear monk any pros or caons?
the barbarian will be better hit but lower ac
and the monk will be lower hit but higher ac,of course if i wasnt talking to my self this would not be an exercise in futility
+1 thinking monk will be the best choice
he will be a naked wearbear that fits
thanks for the feedback, it is on page 68 not page 6 of the etcr book,
it will be after a rest for the night. the encounter has a few weewolf rangers at cr4 i was goign to bump those up to direwolve fighters or maybe add the advanced template to them. i have a fear that this bear barbarian will just murder the whole party they have hero points but it seems like every encounter is either a breeze or a almost tpk.
the last encounter the page before i added 2 extra wolves and they breezed through tit.
can the monk use the animals nat attacks with its flurry of blows?
that is what i was thinking monk a bear with fists of fury.
Ya know what's really cool? I ran this a while ago:
Ettin werewolf barbarian. Two heads=two bite attacks from lycanthropy=two trip attempts. Nice, eh?
can the monk use the animals nat attacks with its flurry of blows?
that is what i was thinking monk a bear with fists of fury.
You're the GM. Your NPC can do whatever it wants to do. Make up a Monk archetype that swaps out "Quivering Palm" and replaces it with "Can Flurry With Claws."
Ya know what's really cool? I ran this a while ago:
Ettin werewolf barbarian. Two heads=two bite attacks from lycanthropy=two trip attempts. Nice, eh?
what is the cr?
they have no way to reverse the lycanthropy where they are and that means
can the monk use the animals nat attacks with its flurry of blows?
that is what i was thinking monk a bear with fists of fury.You're the GM. Your NPC can do whatever it wants to do. Make up a Monk archetype that swaps out "Quivering Palm" and replaces it with "Can Flurry With Claws."
that is so wierd for me ever heard of tiger claw attack, why does it have to be a punch and not a karate chop or claw. any way i was thinking of level 3 so no quivering palm yet...... i am going to go barb probably
i have a fear that this bear barbarian will just murder the whole party they have hero points but it seems like every encounter is either a breeze or a almost tpk.
Then don't do a classic "BBEG" setup. Have multiple goals, so that if the PCs only accomplish some of them, but then have to run away, they can feel like they made a difference.
What I mean is, have multiple opponents. Maybe the werebear has a priest (Druid? Witch?) and an apprentice. Killing any of these extra NPCs will count as a victory for the PCs, so after they lick their wounds and come back, the enemy's power will be reduced.
Ya know what's really cool? I ran this a while ago:
Ettin werewolf barbarian. Two heads=two bite attacks from lycanthropy=two trip attempts. Nice, eh?
what is the cr?
they have no way to reverse the lycanthropy where they are and that means
Like 9. What level are your party?
You can nix the Bbn levels and just have a weresomething ettin.Just saying...it's fun :)
Ya know what's really cool? I ran this a while ago:
Ettin werewolf barbarian. Two heads=two bite attacks from lycanthropy=two trip attempts. Nice, eh?
what is the cr?
they have no way to reverse the lycanthropy where they are and that meansLike 9. What level are your party?
You can nix the Bbn levels and just have a weresomething ettin.Just saying...it's fun :)
they are el7 going on 8
most of them were form my disastrous 35 point build. some of them have died off some still around. also i have been using the default EL form the book. i am thinking weebearking. i saw a sweet highschool mural with a bear with sweet flame eyes and said to myself "note to self" put that in a campaign. the story is that the werewolves are being used by strahd so he made a deal with the leader, it was originally the raving nymph but i dont want to do that.my party never runs away.
i am goign werebear barbarian excet his str will get to 31! THAT IS +10
do i add the bab of the bear and the bab of the barbarian together?
i will post this mank-iller tomorrow during he afternoon let me know what you guys think.
Werebear + advanced template, then add +4 Str +0 Dex +4 Con -2 Int +2 Wis +2 Cha & another +1 Str from 4 levels of Barbarian - pick his rage powers as all-on offense to maximize Power Attack. He's barely functional, but still King due to being all furry and raging at the drop of a carcass. No other werebears are willing to cross him ...
One of the elements of Kingmaker is that you can run into things that can waste the entire group if they're not careful. At only a CR 9, he's still more than beatable by your group. Let 'em have it all claws blazing!
If you want to mix things up, tack on a CR 7 "buddy" (werebear druid 6th) to summon extra nasty nature's allies into the mix.
If your werebear-king is evil, he may well be rabid (thus the barbarian levels), and his NE werebear druid buddy is just along for the ride.
so here goes
Mank'iller king of the werewolves of barovia cr9?
werebear barb lvl3-all stats while raging
hp 106
50 ft speed
ac 21( =4 dex +6 nat -1 size +2 lycanthrope +2 advanced template -2 rage +naked courage)
cmb 17
cmd30
str-31+10
dex 17+3
con 29+9
int 6 -2
wis 18+4
cha 8-1
fort +12
ref +4
will +7
bab+6 3+bear3+barb)
2 claws +16 dmg 1d6 +10 (grab)
bite +16 dmg 1d6+10 (lycanthrope curse dc15)
earth breaker +2 +18 2d6+12
awesome blow +17 2d6+12
feats:endurance,run,power attack,improved bullrush,awesome blow
rage power:knock back
naked courage,fast movement,rage,uncanny dodge
i have no idea if i did it right btw
lol
here is is! what do you guys think he will have some level 2 direwerewolf fighters to back him up 3 to be exact. will that be cr9-10 or lower?
and 3 of these bad boys
direwerewof ranger 3 praetorian guards cr7?
hp 63 dr/10 silver
ac 23
leather armor
light steel shield
str 25+7
dex 20+5
con 23+6
int 6-2
wis 18+4
cha 12+1
fort +9 Ref+8 Will +5
bab +6
cmd 29
cmb 14
ATTACKS:
1. s.sword +15 1d6+7
2. shield bash +13 1d4+7
3. bite +13 1d8 +7 (trip) curse of lycanthropy dc15
FEATS: run, skill focus perception weapon focus(bite),2 weapon fighting,improved shield bash,
Ranger stuff:
favored enemy humans (+2)
favored terrain (woods)
track
wild empahty
combat feat:Improved shield bash
so with this and the werebear king what is my total cr and for a apl7 party is this too much? they will be fighting in/outside of a cave
remember i am redoing the encounter on page 68 of the Expedition to castle Ravenloft book
I could really use some Input here I know there are people who are busy, but any feedback would be very appreciated. I know this thread kinda died
but if you could just give me some feedback it would be very appreciated
thankyou in advanced.
Looks good for about a CR 10.
Kill zem ... kill zem all ...
Looks good for about a CR 10.
Kill zem ... kill zem all ...
thanks very much they are apl7 fully rested so they should be able to do it. i hope..
how you do cr with mixed challenge ratings? is there a forumla or page number?
thanks very much they are apl7 fully rested so they should be able to do it. i hope..Looks good for about a CR 10.
Kill zem ... kill zem all ...
From the sound of things they have both a good idea of what they're facing and have substantially above-the-norm ability scores. In other words, from what you indicated their APL is more like a 9.
Balancing / designing encounters for PCs that are that far "above grade" is comparatively delicate. The "by the book" approach generally works well enough ... buuut you gotta check things pretty carefully when you start hucking monk and anti-paladin-classed monsters at 'em. Since these guys are built pretty sensibly, you're good to go!
Be sure to post in the obits thread(s) - everyone loves to read about a good party mauling.
do you have a link i am awful at forum searches?
how you do cr with mixed challenge ratings? is there a forumla or page number?
Purely on math, you add up the mooks altogether as one critter. Say you have a CR 9 "boss", you need to reduce action economy back away from the PCs' favor a bit but you don't want to whack 'em with more than a CR 10 encounter. The mini-onions screening for the boss should generally tally up to a group CR 3 below the boss, adding 1 to the boss' CR to determine the encounter CR.
Generally encounters have an XP budget - so that's your total. If traps factor in, they can be pretty substantial in effecting the baddie some battlefield control without counting for much of that XP budget.
well lats saturday was a blast! they were almost killed the fighter had stone skin so he survived 150 points of damage in the end he was down to 4 hp. but they slew the noble bear king. but he had a few bad rolls and i didnt calculate his size in a small cave. but i played it smart and dangerous and it was a good cr. when i said i need to raise the cxr next time there was a very satisfying look of fear in there beady eyes.