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Also, a 7%-15% markup is more than reasonable. Assuming the .25-.50 per unit margin.I'm going to guess that their markup is a fair bit more than that, considering that, for the Pathfinder Advantage discount, I'm getting these for 15% off ($11.04), and I'd put money down that the distribution chain and stores are going to be paying less than $11.04/box.
Most things like this, our store pays 75% OF MSRP from Diamond/Alliance, so stores would be paying around $9.75
http://paizo.com/store/v5748btpy8ie0I would buy a dozen of those.Sebastian
My Little Pony minis! Perfect!!
I'm going to guess that their markup is a fair bit more than that, considering that, for the Pathfinder Advantage discount, I'm getting these for 15% off ($11.04), and I'd put money down that the distribution chain and stores are going to be paying less than $11.04/box.
The main point I was trying to make when someone suggested that the price was too high, was that the same profit margin levels with print products are not the same as PPM's. It is largely guess work on my part, but I do know Reaper's full PPM production costs. So I basically took the same "formula", and added in an adjustment for the exta paint steps. I still believe I am not far off -- but I will acknowledge its just my best guess. I am 100% certain though that Paizo is not making as much from these as they would the sale of print material at the same price.
PPM's are very difficult to market due to the high production costs. Getting non-randimized PPM's at a Low Price with a Quality Paint Job is not possible. Although people do (and always will) complain about price, I have always found that a better "appearing" mini with many different colors (including the use of washes, highlighting or fine details) generates more sales that one with a fairly bland 2 color paint job.
The mini's I purchase normally get used frequently enough that I am willing to pay the same price for a mini as I would a novel ($5 - $7), as long as its paint job is not so crappy that I feel compelled to repaint it which sort of defeats the purpose of why I bought it in the first place :)
I'd like to see the new iconics:
Pre-ordered!
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As some have already said, with me echoing thier sentiments, I would rather the next set of minis be a random pack of monsters/villains/NPCs as opposed to more Iconics. That being said, if Paizo and Wizkids were to do another set of Iconics, then my vote as follows:
Set Two:
Amiri, the Barbarian
Harsk, the Ranger
Lini, the Druid
Sajan, the Monk
Set Three:
Lem, the Bard
Seelah, the Paladin
Seoni, the Sorcerer
Seltyiel, the Magus
Doing all of the iconics would be nice, but I don't personally want any more iconics if I don't get some prepaint monsters for them to fight.
The goblins and dragon whose stats feature in the Beginner Box would be the obvious choice for a second set.
As an added bonus, they could do some of the goblins as the PCs from We Be Goblins.
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Amiri, Harsk, Seltyiel and Seelah. Then Alain, Lem, Lini, and Sajan. Paizo should skip Seoni altogether; who needs X number of female spellcasters anyway? Just kidding! Just kidding! ;)
Otherwise I'm with my fellow evil-aligned villain, E.L. -- it's probably best to do at least a few sets of monsters as well. Not only for the 'Beginner Box' crowd, but there are also some monsters (crawling hand, for example) that don't have their own DDM miniatures (or anything that would work nicely as a substitute), and some minis have become quite rare and/or expensive (10+ dollars for a single mini is just too much for me).
Well, one can always dream that that these minis will like hotcakes, and eventually Paizo and WizKids are going to publish nice, affordable versions of the majority of the monsters in the Bestiaries.
Set 2
Seoni, the Sorcerer
Amiri, the Barbarian
Sajan, the Monk
Seelah, the Paladin
Set 3
Seltyiel, the Magus
Lem, the Bard
Alchemist
Summoner
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For me there is not enough love for the other races so to mix up the set and to ensure there is the standard mix of spell caster/fighter/religious/rouge I think it needs to be:
Set 2
Seoni, the Sorcerer (Human)
Lem, the Bard (Halfling)
Harsk, the Ranger (Dwarf)
Seelah, the Paladin (Human)
Set 3
Amiri, the Barbarian (Human)
Lini, the Druid (Gnome)
Sajan, the Monk (Human)
Seltyiel, the Magus (Elf)
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For me there is not enough love for the other races so to mix up the set and to ensure there is the standard mix of spell caster/fighter/religious/rouge I think it needs to be:
Set 2
Seoni, the Sorcerer (Human)
Lem, the Bard (Halfling)
Harsk, the Ranger (Dwarf)
Seelah, the Paladin (Human)Set 3
Amiri, the Barbarian (Human)
Lini, the Druid (Gnome)
Sajan, the Monk (Human)
Seltyiel, the Magus (Elf)
DITTO!
Later,
Mazra