Paladin oath of vengeance + Extra Channel Feat = 2 Extra Smites?

[Artaron Nox]

Hi Everyone !
I've just created my first pathfinder society character, a Human Paladin with the oath of vengeance.

Oath of Vengeance says the following :

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Channel Wrath (Su)

When an oathbound paladin reach 4th level, she can spend two uses of her lay on hands ability to gain an extra use of smite evil that day. This ability has no effect for a paladin who does not have the smite evil ability.

This ability replaces channel positive energy.

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This means that by spending 2 LOH uses I can get an extra smite.

The Extra Channel feat gives 4 uses of Lay on Hands to be used exclusively for channeling energy.

Could this feat be used to get 4 uses of lay on hands to use Channel Wrath instead of Channel positive energy ?
It seems logical.
The cost for Channel positive energy and for channel wrath is the same : 2 uses of lay on hands.

Extra Channel works for variant channeling, so why not with Channel Wrath ? It IS a channeling feature after all which costs the same as normal channeling.
Thus I'm guessing extra channel should adapt itself to channel wrath as well

I don't think the feat used this way breaks the game or anything (unless you consider channel wrath being overpowered). The extra channel gives you 4 uses which you can ONLY spend on extra channeling.

The Extra Lay on Hands feat which you can get in any case gives you 2 uses with a choice to use them for either LOH or smiting (ie less uses but more flexibility)

I'd love to hear your input as I would be using this in PFS and wish to know which feat to take.

[Grick]

Extra Channel - "Prerequisite: Channel energy class feature."

Channel Wrath (Su) - "This ability replaces channel positive energy."

[Artaron Nox]

Grick wrote:

Extra Channel - "Prerequisite: Channel energy class feature."

Channel Wrath (Su) - "This ability replaces channel positive energy."

I guess this is obvious. But the point is that Channel Wrath is still a channeling power. It replaces the positive energy aspect, but not the actual channeling class feature which just takes a different focus. The extra channel should apply to it just as it does with all the other channel powers (Channel Positive energy, channel negative energy + all the variant channeling)

Also there is the issue of the archetype being taken after level 4 with extra channel already bought, for example after switching from another oathbound archetype that doesn't replace channel positive energy. Would that mean the paladin no longer enjoys the 4 extra uses of LOH ?

Still no hope ? I guess I'd have to stick with Extra Lay on hands, but it really sounds logical to me and on equal footing with the other abilities, and I'd love to hear further comments.

[wraithstrike]

It looks legit to me. I was thinking about such a concept the other day.

[Weables]

Its not broken, or unreasonable. It is however, against the rules. You dont have the prerequisites for the feat, so you cant take it, period.

That's how PFS works. things are done by the book, rather than interpreting (hopefully). I'd certainly let it fly in my home game, but that doesnt apear to be your situation.

my 2 copper.

[wraithstrike]

wraithstrike wrote:

It looks legit to me. I was thinking about such a concept the other day.

I stand corrected. Channel Wrath is not Channel Energy and by the rules they don't sub for each other unless there is a clause saying they can.

prd wrote:

When an archetype includes multiple alternate class features, a character must take them all—often blocking the character from ever gaining certain standard class features, but replacing them with other options. All other class features of the base class that aren't mentioned among the alternate class features remain unchanged and are acquired normally when the character reaches the appropriate level, unless noted otherwise. A character who takes an alternate class feature does not count as having the class feature that was replaced for the purposes of meeting any requirements or prerequisites.