Creative Director
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Ogres and Ogrekin tend to have pretty low Will saves. At the Grauls, for instance, most of the ogrekin have +1 or +2 -- even Mammy and wossname in the basement top out at +6. So a sorceror with a lot of Charm spells and a meat shield to hide behind is going to shut down almost every Graul in 1 or 2 rounds. If the sorceror has Suggestion, it's even worse.Any thoughts on how to deal with this?
Doug M.
How about letting characters who specialize in enchantment have some fun? "Mind-Affecting" is one of the types of magic that has a LOT of monsters that are completely immune to it; undead, constructs, vermin, oozes, and lots of other creatures as well. It's good to let characters who specialize in mind affecting magic to be able to actually USE their magic now and then.
If you're really worried that a mind-affecting caster will ruin the adventure, go ahead and swap out feats for Iron Will or Improved Iron Will, but really do try to avoid making an already sometimes difficult type of magic to use even less useful.
One thing to remember is that charm person is not a carte blanche to have the charmed creature do everything the caster wants it to. Its attitude changes to "friendly", but not all the way to "helpful". I don't tell my friends everything about me and my family, for instance.
Both of the ideas you mention would be excellent ways to handle this. I'm thinking you don't really need any more help :)
Would Ogrekin even be affected by Charm Person? I would at the very least give them a healthy bonus against any vs. Person spells, if not outright immunity.
Ogres are giants, not humanoids, so they wouldn't be affected by the spell
Giant is a subtype of Humanoid in the Pathfinder RPG, so they are affected by the same effects.
Given how the Grauls treat their family, I shudder to think of the "games" they would play with a friend.(...)
That's what we had with the Laura character (Varisian Bard with the Lust/Fertility Tatoo) who used Charm person on Grauls and Kreegs.
She was worried and careful (and also somewhat freakishly enjoying the rush) of being on the edge of their "interpretation and expectations" of friendship and actually even used flipping from one "charmed friend" to another to get them against each other. It was a good time and it didn't make the spell a "safe way to deal with it" and yes some less-expected ones made the save: Sweet Papa Kreeg wasn't charmed by the little lady! But he did get a bad shot from the Holy Smite!
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For saving throws in general: the spell itself says if you or your allies are attacking or threatening the target, they get a +5 to the save. I would say that would apply to almost any situation where the target can see an ally of the caster with a weapon drawn. If they all go in with weapons sheathed, and the guy makes his save, thatll make their fight that much harder.
For the hypothetical info dump: I would imagine Mammy wouldnt be giving out tons of info to her ignorant kids. Mammy and maybe the brother/dad of the group would be the only ones worth trying to get info out of. Others might have bits of stuff theyve overheard here or there, but they probably couldnt even pronounce names correctly like of important baddies, let alone remember details of the plot.
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Another complication to this is that half of the enemies only speak Giant, and most of them have a low INT. It's like talking to a six-year-old in many cases IF you speak the same language. You're not going to get the clearest answer to any question just on general principle.
Charm Person doesn't turn the affected into a well-spoken professor that can give a friendly lecture.