What happened to the Ioun Stones?


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I was expecting the Pathfinder Faction to have Ioun Stones in their Wayfinders, but none are listed in their gear. Nor have I seen Ioun Stones in the AP treasures that I have looked at so far.

Add in that the Serpent Folk apparently seeded Ioun Stones to lure futur slaves (see Eando Kline's story) revive them...

So, where are the Ioun Stones?


Mistwalker wrote:

I was expecting the Pathfinder Faction to have Ioun Stones in their Wayfinders, but none are listed in their gear. Nor have I seen Ioun Stones in the AP treasures that I have looked at so far.

Add in that the Serpent Folk apparently seeded Ioun Stones to lure futur slaves (see Eando Kline's story) revive them...

So, where are the Ioun Stones?

I have been wondering the same thing. I thought they were kind of iconic items of the Azlanti.

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Mistwalker wrote:

I was expecting the Pathfinder Faction to have Ioun Stones in their Wayfinders, but none are listed in their gear. Nor have I seen Ioun Stones in the AP treasures that I have looked at so far.

Add in that the Serpent Folk apparently seeded Ioun Stones to lure futur slaves (see Eando Kline's story) revive them...

So, where are the Ioun Stones?

The whole element of ioun stones and how they interact with wayfinders opens up a weird can of worms that we didn't want to meddle with. If you want your pathfinders in Serpent's Skull to have ioun stones in their wayfinders, excellent! Give them out!

But at the same time, ioun stones ARE expensive, and that means that not every Pathfinder can afford them. Player character pathfinders are rarities—there's generally no more than 4 to 5 of them in any one campaign at a time—and as such, THEY can certainly have ioun stones to their heart's content. The rest of the Pathfinders, though? If they can afford them, sure. But it's hardly a requirement.

Especially if including rules for how ioun stones and wayfinders interact would suddenly blow the adventure's word count out of proportion.


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James Jacobs wrote:

The whole element of ioun stones and how they interact with wayfinders opens up a weird can of worms that we didn't want to meddle with. If you want your pathfinders in Serpent's Skull to have ioun stones in their wayfinders, excellent! Give them out!

But at the same time, ioun stones ARE expensive, and that means that not every Pathfinder can afford them. Player character pathfinders are rarities—there's generally no more than 4 to 5 of them in any one campaign at a time—and as such, THEY can certainly have ioun stones to their heart's content. The rest of the Pathfinders, though? If they can afford them, sure. But it's hardly a requirement.

Especially if including rules for how ioun stones and wayfinders interact would suddenly blow the adventure's word count out of proportion.

I was also wondering why there wasn't any as possible treasure in the Azlanti city?

I can understand about the word count, but couldn't there have been a reference to Seeker of Secrets book, where the rules for Ioun Stones are listed?

Just trying to have a better grasp on the hows and whys of the AP.

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Mistwalker wrote:

I was also wondering why there wasn't any as possible treasure in the Azlanti city?

I can understand about the word count, but couldn't there have been a reference to Seeker of Secrets book, where the rules for Ioun Stones are listed?

Just trying to have a better grasp on the hows and whys of the AP.

There ARE some ioun stones later in the AP, I believe. But also, while the Pathfinders have latched on to ioun stones as intriguing Azlanti technology, that technology wasn't blanketed across Azlant. Azlant was a continent, after all, just like Avistan, and there's lots of sub-regions in there. The folks who settled Saventh-Yhi were different than the folks who settled Thassilon, and both of them were not 100% accurate portrayals of Azlant as a whole either.

If, 10,000 years in the future, archeologists exploring the ruins of Avistan find remains of Varisian harrow magic and a society becomes obsessed with harrow cards and how they might still be relevant in that far future world, that doesn't mean that all of the Inner Sea region was all about Harrow cards all the time. Same goes for ioun stones.


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Thanks for the answers James.

I think that each Pathfinder will have an Ioun Torch and Amivor Glaur will also have a Clear Spindle Ioun Stone (sustains without food or water) to allow him to travel more lightly and to increase his survival chance if things go wrong.

And I will be adding a few Ioun Stones in treasures, as I have at least one player who wants to be a Pathfinder on their confirmation mission.

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