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Musical interlude- Absolutely not hip hop edition

Scarab Sages

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captain yesterday wrote:
Woran wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Woran wrote:
Just letting you all know that Fly Free Or Die just continues to rock as an Adventure Path.
The one with the space winnebago?
Yes!
I would be making spaceballs quotes left and right.
It lends itself to that very well.
What book are you on?

Still in book 1, as we are doing a lot of roleplaying and getting up to no good.


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Hey, NH, which brand of bathroom fixture did you say was crap? Was it Delta?
Since I can't gut the downstairs bathroom at Mom's, strip it down to the studs and rebuild it (since we need to replace windows and repair the tilting garage first), I said I'd settle for just replacing the toilet and the shower head. (The toilet is one of those super low ones for little tiny kids or midgets, and the shower head is like a bad motel shower head from the 60s.)


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captain yesterday wrote:
I wonder if that's because I link a lot of hip hop on here.

I almost never click links, especially musical ones, so I don't think so.

Probably all the cars driving down our street with their woofers on full blast so I'm forced to listen to whatever they're listening to, which is typically rap.

EDIT: I think it's why I have a very solid work-from-home record. I set my hours (6:30 am - 4:00 pm), and during that period I am "at work" and don't watch videos or otherwise "goof off", though I do assiduously follow my company's ergonomics protocols (5 minutes off every half hour to stretch, tidy the house, or check Paizo). But 5 minutes isn't enough to watch most videos that get posted, so I tend not to click anything YouTube.


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lisamarlene wrote:

Hey, NH, which brand of bathroom fixture did you say was crap? Was it Delta?

Since I can't gut the downstairs bathroom at Mom's, strip it down to the studs and rebuild it (since we need to replace windows and repair the tilting garage first), I said I'd settle for just replacing the toilet and the shower head. (The toilet is one of those super low ones for little tiny kids or midgets, and the shower head is like a bad motel shower head from the 60s.)

Yes. Delta is appalling. All the parts are plastic because it's designed to be low-end plasticware for slumlords.

We ended up going with Grohe, which is apparently middle-to-high end but at least anything you get from them will be good quality.


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lisamarlene wrote:

Hey, NH, which brand of bathroom fixture did you say was crap? Was it Delta?

Since I can't gut the downstairs bathroom at Mom's, strip it down to the studs and rebuild it (since we need to replace windows and repair the tilting garage first), I said I'd settle for just replacing the toilet and the shower head. (The toilet is one of those super low ones for little tiny kids or midgets, and the shower head is like a bad motel shower head from the 60s.)

Supposedly shorter toilets are healthier.


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Drejk wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

Hey, NH, which brand of bathroom fixture did you say was crap? Was it Delta?

Since I can't gut the downstairs bathroom at Mom's, strip it down to the studs and rebuild it (since we need to replace windows and repair the tilting garage first), I said I'd settle for just replacing the toilet and the shower head. (The toilet is one of those super low ones for little tiny kids or midgets, and the shower head is like a bad motel shower head from the 60s.)
Supposedly shorter toilets are healthier.

Until you try to sit on one with a fully immobilized knee. Just sayin'.


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Syrus Terrigan wrote:
Drejk wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

Hey, NH, which brand of bathroom fixture did you say was crap? Was it Delta?

Since I can't gut the downstairs bathroom at Mom's, strip it down to the studs and rebuild it (since we need to replace windows and repair the tilting garage first), I said I'd settle for just replacing the toilet and the shower head. (The toilet is one of those super low ones for little tiny kids or midgets, and the shower head is like a bad motel shower head from the 60s.)
Supposedly shorter toilets are healthier.
Until you try to sit on one with a fully immobilized knee. Just sayin'.

Exactly. I have arthritis in both my knees.


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NobodysHome wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

Hey, NH, which brand of bathroom fixture did you say was crap? Was it Delta?

Since I can't gut the downstairs bathroom at Mom's, strip it down to the studs and rebuild it (since we need to replace windows and repair the tilting garage first), I said I'd settle for just replacing the toilet and the shower head. (The toilet is one of those super low ones for little tiny kids or midgets, and the shower head is like a bad motel shower head from the 60s.)

Yes. Delta is appalling. All the parts are plastic because it's designed to be low-end plasticware for slumlords.

We ended up going with Grohe, which is apparently middle-to-high end but at least anything you get from them will be good quality.

Thank you. I've been looking at the True Value and Ace websites because Home Depot is a lousy place to shop in the South if you're female, and every time I've gone into Lowe's, I've managed to find the salesmen who steered me in exactly the opposite direction. But most of what True Value has is Delta or Waterpik.


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lisamarlene wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

Hey, NH, which brand of bathroom fixture did you say was crap? Was it Delta?

Since I can't gut the downstairs bathroom at Mom's, strip it down to the studs and rebuild it (since we need to replace windows and repair the tilting garage first), I said I'd settle for just replacing the toilet and the shower head. (The toilet is one of those super low ones for little tiny kids or midgets, and the shower head is like a bad motel shower head from the 60s.)

Yes. Delta is appalling. All the parts are plastic because it's designed to be low-end plasticware for slumlords.

We ended up going with Grohe, which is apparently middle-to-high end but at least anything you get from them will be good quality.

Thank you. I've been looking at the True Value and Ace websites because Home Depot is a lousy place to shop in the South if you're female, and every time I've gone into Lowe's, I've managed to find the salesmen who steered me in exactly the opposite direction. But most of what True Value has is Delta or Waterpik.

One of my favorite stories: We went to buy a car and we were willing to pay MSRP, so a nice hefty commission for the salesman.

Except...

...he kept talking to me instead of GothBard. After multiple repeated attempts to say, "She's the one picking the car, not me," and having him continue to speak exclusively to me, we walked off the lot.

I doubt he ever figured out what he'd done wrong, in spite of the fact that we told him multiple times that I wasn't the one buying the car.


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Oooh!

Impus Minor's interests apparently include luxury goods, alcohol, gambling, and weddings.

We Will Have Words.


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Control finished. 21.6 hours, though it took some repetition of some fights where I kept dying, doing most if not all side missions, and some discoverying. There are some more hidden spots left but I don't know if I will be seeking all of them. Most of them are hidden well enough that without guides looking for them might takes hours and hours anyway.

Excellent game.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Oooh!

Impus Minor's interests apparently include luxury goods, alcohol, gambling, and weddings.

We Will Have Words.

He will gamble and drink away money that were supposed to cover his luxurious pruchases for the wedding?

Anyway, what did you expected? You recently said yourself that he is less careful with his money than Impus Major.


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Aaaaand... it's on!

Being "Men", Impus Major, Impus Minor, and I are each going to search for something horrifically embarrassing until we start getting targeted ads for said product.

I'm apparently supposed to search for "adult diapers" every day.

Which is better than Impus Major, who got "furry hentai". (So far he's refusing to do it because he's worried about just what KIND of advertising he'll get, but we'll bring him around...)


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NobodysHome wrote:

Aaaaand... it's on!

Being "Men", Impus Major, Impus Minor, and I are each going to search for something horrifically embarrassing until we start getting targeted ads for said product.

I'm apparently supposed to search for "adult diapers" every day.

Which is better than Impus Major, who got "furry hentai". (So far he's refusing to do it because he's worried about just what KIND of advertising he'll get, but we'll bring him around...)

oh come now, impus minor!


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lisamarlene wrote:

Achievement unlocked:

I made sawmill gravy and buttermilk biscuits this morning.
I usually just make drop biscuits with baking soda, because I'm lazy, and I've never made biscuit gravy before.
Tastes pretty darned fine.

WOOOOOOO


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NobodysHome wrote:

Oooh!

Impus Minor's interests apparently include luxury goods, alcohol, gambling, and weddings.

We Will Have Words.

I would suspect a case of Epic-level trolling by Impus Major, but in order for that to work, Impus Minor would have to leave his room.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Oooh!

Impus Minor's interests apparently include luxury goods, alcohol, gambling, and weddings.

We Will Have Words.

Is he the recently divorced mother-in-law of North Dakota's leading business insurance specialist?


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And I don't know where Google got the idea that I'm interested in Bollywood films, football (soccer), or dogs. Still, so long as I'm confusing their algorithm, that's all to the good.


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Fantasy Monster: Tears Of Pain And Sorrow, this ooze swarm will ease your pain, forever...

Scarab Sages

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lisamarlene wrote:
Syrus Terrigan wrote:
Drejk wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

Hey, NH, which brand of bathroom fixture did you say was crap? Was it Delta?

Since I can't gut the downstairs bathroom at Mom's, strip it down to the studs and rebuild it (since we need to replace windows and repair the tilting garage first), I said I'd settle for just replacing the toilet and the shower head. (The toilet is one of those super low ones for little tiny kids or midgets, and the shower head is like a bad motel shower head from the 60s.)
Supposedly shorter toilets are healthier.
Until you try to sit on one with a fully immobilized knee. Just sayin'.
Exactly. I have arthritis in both my knees.

Yeah, we deliberately installed high toilets in the house because MrT has trouble with his legs and I have an effed up knee.

Scarab Sages

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I turned off the option for personalized adds ages ago so I cant check those stats.


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And now I have finished Dishonored. I had been sitting at the start of the final mission for some time now, and now got back to finishing it. It was much shorter than most earlier missions.

It's a decent game, though it could have been better. Might opinion might be skewed by the fact that I have played recently a few games that dealt with similar ideas (primarily Deus Ex - choice between lethal and nonlethal solutions and multiple ways to go through each scene, moral decisions, and Assassin's Creed, with all that sneaking and killing) and most of the time did them better and had better looking graphics.


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And now, back to playing Phoenix Point. I should be not far from the end.

EDIT: And I have already 106 hours already counted... There might be more, because I don't exactly trust GoG Galaxy with calculating gameplay time.


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I have Greedfall and Control Ultimate Edition I need to play still.


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Spent the last hour or so converting the 3.5 goblinoid "varag" to PF1E. Well, trying to, anyway. I haven't grabbed all the racial abilities yet, and I'm still at 22 RP.

And now I want to get a PF1E scout class, too. I want skirmish damage!!!


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Syrus Terrigan wrote:

Spent the last hour or so converting the 3.5 goblinoid "varag" to PF1E. Well, trying to, anyway. I haven't grabbed all the racial abilities yet, and I'm still at 22 RP.

And now I want to get a PF1E scout class, too. I want skirmish damage!!!

I really wish skirmish damage had worked better in PF1.


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Yeah I've started control I need to play more.


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Vanykrye wrote:
Syrus Terrigan wrote:

Spent the last hour or so converting the 3.5 goblinoid "varag" to PF1E. Well, trying to, anyway. I haven't grabbed all the racial abilities yet, and I'm still at 22 RP.

And now I want to get a PF1E scout class, too. I want skirmish damage!!!

I really wish skirmish damage had worked better in PF1.

I really don't know why it doesn't . . . .


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Hello, everyone.


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John Napier 698 wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I don't know why this hadn't occurred to me sooner... like for real but..

Wasn't their a mathematician named John Napier? Marvellous Merchiston.

Scarab Sages

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John Napier 698 wrote:
Hello, everyone.

Hey John


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Syrus Terrigan wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
Syrus Terrigan wrote:

Spent the last hour or so converting the 3.5 goblinoid "varag" to PF1E. Well, trying to, anyway. I haven't grabbed all the racial abilities yet, and I'm still at 22 RP.

And now I want to get a PF1E scout class, too. I want skirmish damage!!!

I really wish skirmish damage had worked better in PF1.
I really don't know why it doesn't . . . .

As written, I feel they put too many restrictions on it. Like, if I'm remembering right, it only works if you've moved at least 10'. With PF1 really favoring the full attack action, this is a lot worse than the regular sneak attack.

EDIT: They probably would have been better off making skirmish attack be an add-on modifier to sneak attack. You get sneak attack (all normal rules apply) at the normal rate of whatever class you're using, but if you happen to move at least 10' then sneak attack applies as well.


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Vanykrye wrote:
Syrus Terrigan wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
Syrus Terrigan wrote:

Spent the last hour or so converting the 3.5 goblinoid "varag" to PF1E. Well, trying to, anyway. I haven't grabbed all the racial abilities yet, and I'm still at 22 RP.

And now I want to get a PF1E scout class, too. I want skirmish damage!!!

I really wish skirmish damage had worked better in PF1.
I really don't know why it doesn't . . . .
As written, I feel they put too many restrictions on it. Like, if I'm remembering right, it only works if you've moved at least 10'. With PF1 really favoring the full attack action, this is a lot worse than the regular sneak attack.

Good point, that. But there are ways to get pounce piled on top of that . . . .

But then you wind up with a situation not too unlike one of NH's recent campaign journal posts: sneak attack dice on Cleave attacks = not-dead mooks.

Too bad it just isn't strong enough -- even with Vital Strike and the Bounding Assault/Rapid Blitz feats.


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What is "skirmish damage?" The "move 10' and attack to deal SA damage" thing comes from the Rogue's Scout archetype, I get that part. I'm not seeing "skirmish damage" out there anywhere though.


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Mark Hoover 330 wrote:
What is "skirmish damage?" The "move 10' and attack to deal SA damage" thing comes from the Rogue's Scout archetype, I get that part. I'm not seeing "skirmish damage" out there anywhere though.

I think it was a 3.5 thing.


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Yep. Skirmish damage was a class feature of the scout class from the 3.5 splatbook Complete Adventurer.

I think the biggest reason I liked the mechanic so much was my propensity for receiving an inordinate amount of critical hits on my characters. I thought that if I could hit them and move away (Spring Attack, Bounding Assault, Rapid Blitz), maybe they'd survive a bit more easily. And then I started multiclassing to get pounce, and . . . .

The original skirmish damage progression started by adding 1d6 damage to any attack a character made after moving 10' in the same round. Then, at 3rd, a +1 bonus to AC was stacked on it. And so it proceeded on odd levels to cap out at +5d6/+5. And you could take the Improved Skirmish feat to add, IIRC, +2d6/+1.


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It was a great concept - something that rewarded mobility-based characters - I just don't think it was executed all that well. What Syrus is talking about ends up being a LOT of feats and multiclassing just to be able to be on similar footing with Sneak Attack.


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And you basically needed to gestalt the build to make it effective. But, of course, the powergamer in me was quite content with that!


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Seriously, User, person who I have been blaming Cosmo for, stop calling the company emergency line. You've had at least 4 different people independently tell you the same thing: You are having issues with your home internet. We can't help you with that.

She's called every day since Thursday, usually at least twice a day. I'm still on call until the 15th.


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I do not miss 3.5. Last year I played several sessions as I've got a friend that will ONLY run games, and will ONLY play either 3.5 D&D or 5e D&D. Said friend has never tried PF1 but has already pronounced it "garbage" regardless.

Anyway, in said games I played a Cleric, a Fighter and a Wizard. I felt underwhelmed with all of them. I got the Cleric to level 3 and the campaign died; Fighter was a flash in the pan (never above level 1); the wizard began at level 3 and got to level 5.

No at will Cantrips/Orisons; tons of "gray areas" in combat; skills were all kinds of messed up. A lot of this is based on my DM I'm sure but it just felt all sticky and mucked up the whole time we were playing.

Scout rogue archetype:
As for the Scout Rogue archetype, math-wise it does pretty well as a damage dealer in PF1. So long as you can move 10' in a round and pick a Medium sized Rogue, you likely can find a weapon with a base 1d8 damage so it plus your SA damage keeps up with "expected averages" by CR through about CR9. After that you really need a decent amount of feats and magic item support to deliver added damage on your one attack without sacrificing too much in accuracy.

My quotes around expected averages is b/c I'm a firm believer in using the Monster Creation averages as a baseline and also following an expectation that this is a team activity. In other words, if the average CR9 monster has a 23 AC and 115 HP, and the average party is 4 PCs, each individual PC should have a reliable (better than 50%) chance of hitting a 23 AC with an average roll of 10.5 on a D20 and be able to deal an average of 28.75 damage on a hit (1/4 of 115 HP).

A Medium scout rogue 9, starting the game with an 18 Dex, can have feats by this level allowing them to use, say, a longsword with Dex to hit and Weapon Focus. WBL gives that rogue a +2 longsword and a Dex belt +4. +2 to Dex from stat increases at level 4 and 8 mean the rogue is at +16. Another feat means the rogue's one attack with a BAB +6 deals 2d8 instead of one at no sacrifice to accuracy.

So, the rogue ends up at +16 to hit, fulfilling the accuracy part, and if they manage to move 10' in a round and still hit, they deliver an average of 28.5 damage, only .25 off the mark for their damage expectation. Thanks to Acrobatics/Tumbling, so long as they can melee with an opponent the rogue can likely continue moving through the round, making a single SA attack each round, w/out drawing AoO's.

After level 9 this begins to break down, mathematically and the PC either needs to seriously consider a Dex-to-damage option, sacrifice accuracy to deliver damage through Piranha Strike or blow a massive amount on upgrading their gear for more damage. By CR 10 the PC has got to be hitting only an AC 24 instead of 23 but now has to deliver an additional +4.5 damage with no inherent class ability that adds more damage at that level. By level 11, when their next SA die kicks in and adds +3.5 damage, the rogue actually NEEDS to be dropping +8.5 damage compared to level 9.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I don't know why this hadn't occurred to me sooner... like for real but..

Wasn't their a mathematician named John Napier? Marvellous Merchiston.

Yeah, one of my ancestors. He invented the common logarithms.


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If all goes perfectly, we will be back in Ohio by June.

Which really can't come too soon, because we've more reasons to hate this neighborhood as of today that I really am too pissed to go into right now, but it involves my daughter, and therefore it crosses the line.

So, yeah, hopefully all goes perfectly.

Both our families are pissed. Well, not so much pissed on my side. Her family are a bunch of ingrate bastards who talk shit about everyone who doesn't conform to their personal sense of normalcy, so I could give a damn what they think. But they're still b!%&~ing at Tala nonetheless. Even though they are like 97% responsible for the bullcrap that lead us to our situation as it is.

My family is just...well they went through so much to bail us out after Tala's family screwed us over, and now they're like "and you plan on leaving after that?"

But we wouldn't have come down here in the first place without that lie. This was never home. And we really want to go home. This place does not contribute to our happiness, but in fact, greatly marginalizes it.

But again, leaving requires just about everything to go right. We're looking for work up there already to make sure we're set when we arrive, and our friends in the area along with Tala's dad (whom I get along with) and brother (whom I don't, but at least he has been trying lately, so I give him credit) who still live up there are helping find something.

So far, everything's been going great.

But you know when your future is dependent on a house of cards, it's a scary thing to look towards.


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PF1E is, in my opinion, what 3.x wanted to be. I think Paizo's version is "strictly better" than WotC's, but I'm very glad Wizards did what it did (2nd Edition was ghastly, in my opinion).

Want 3.x/PF1 gameplay with cantrips/orisons?

Here it comes again!

Spheres of Might and Power


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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
The Scary but Necessary Future

Good luck VE.


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I am dangerously close to quitting my job with no backup plan.


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Stick to your plan, greentea! Hoping for all the best for you and yours.


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Vanykrye wrote:
I am dangerously close to quitting my job with no backup plan.

The General said something similar to me today.


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Vanykrye wrote:
I am dangerously close to quitting my job with no backup plan.

I'm sorry.

Scarab Sages

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Vanykrye wrote:
I am dangerously close to quitting my job with no backup plan.

Well, depends. Usually as IT you can scrounge up enough blackmail material.

Just sayin

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