Cleave-like feat for bows


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Something that's been running around my head for a while now. Why is it that you can "cleave" through one enemy to hit a second one, even with a club or a spear, but you cannot shoot an arrow through one enemy and into a second one standing behind it?

I was thinking somewhere along the lines of a feat, let's call it "through and through shot", that works along similar lines as the 3.5 cleave feat for melee weapons.

through and through shot

prereq: point blank shot

When killing an opponent with a ranged attack, you may immediatly make a second attack with the same BAB against a second opponent that is positioned in a straight line behind the first one, no more then 20' away.

Some things I have been thinking about with this feat are:

* can this be used with any ranged weapon? I can see this happening with a bow, maybe even a crossbow, but a sling is a bit harder to imagine. And what about thrown weapons? A spear might be feasable, but a thrown dagger??

* With a sling you might be able to reword the feat so that the killing sling bullet bounces off and hits an adjacent target, Would this be a seperate feat then, especially for slings, or just take it as one feat??

any suggestions/comments on this from the community??

grtz

Bart


Just use rapid shot?


I wouldn't make it for thrown weapons, simply because you would need almost superhuman strength to "realistically" pull it off. A weapon enchantment would work though.

As far as a sling variant, there was something similar at http://www.giantitp.com/articles/CsORDNEyp2GRLIhacLj.html that might help.

Also wouldn't not allow a 'Greater Through and Through' unless you allow firearms in your campaign.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber
Bart Vervaet wrote:

Something that's been running around my head for a while now. Why is it that you can "cleave" through one enemy to hit a second one, even with a club or a spear, but you cannot shoot an arrow through one enemy and into a second one standing behind it?

I was thinking somewhere along the lines of a feat, let's call it "through and through shot", that works along similar lines as the 3.5 cleave feat for melee weapons.

through and through shot

prereq: point blank shot

When killing an opponent with a ranged attack, you may immediatly make a second attack with the same BAB against a second opponent that is positioned in a straight line behind the first one, no more then 20' away.

Some things I have been thinking about with this feat are:

* can this be used with any ranged weapon? I can see this happening with a bow, maybe even a crossbow, but a sling is a bit harder to imagine. And what about thrown weapons? A spear might be feasable, but a thrown dagger??

* With a sling you might be able to reword the feat so that the killing sling bullet bounces off and hits an adjacent target, Would this be a seperate feat then, especially for slings, or just take it as one feat??

any suggestions/comments on this from the community??

grtz

Bart

What about changing it from 20' to 1/2 a range increment for the weapon, reflecting that weapons with longer ranger increments are moving faster and have more energy to bleed off. So a thrown weapon could "bounce" to an adjacent foe, a sling bullet to some one near by, and an arrow might keep going across a room.

None of this is at all realistic, but this is D&D after all, there is magic, dragons, so some heroic badassery seems warranted.


Galnörag wrote:


None of this is at all realistic, but this is D&D after all, there is magic, dragons, so some heroic badassery seems warranted.

Hence the quotes.

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