Changing abyssal and celestial bloodline arcana to make more sense?


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Has anyone got any suggestions for these? Right now they encourage summoning the creatures opposite to the bloodline, and that's rather silly.

What would better add incentive to summoning creatures of your own bloodline?


Umbral Reaver wrote:
Has anyone got any suggestions for these? Right now they encourage summoning the creatures opposite to the bloodline, and that's rather silly.

I'm not sure what you mean. If I have the Celestial bloodline (say), either the DR X/evil applies against my foes (because they're evil) or it doesn't (because they're good). So it makes no difference if I summon a good creature or an evil creature; it has the same benefit (or lack of benefit) either way.

Scarab Sages

I think what Umbral Reaver means is that, as a (for example) Celestial bloodline sorcerer, I'm most likely to summon creatures with the Celestial Creature template, which (at higher HD, at least) already have DR/evil, which (according to the Bloodline Arcana) does not stack with what it gains from the ability.

I'm not sure if it's that big a deal. The ability will probably give the creature higher DR than they'd normally have, or give it to them at lower HD. (I haven't done a survey of what summonables would have what DR.)


Arazyr wrote:
I think what Umbral Reaver means is that, as a (for example) Celestial bloodline sorcerer, I'm most likely to summon creatures with the Celestial Creature template, which (at higher HD, at least) already have DR/evil, which (according to the Bloodline Arcana) does not stack with what it gains from the ability.

No, I understood that much. But unless you're fighting mixed good and evil enemies (which is rare, in my experience), there's no particular benefit to summoning a fiendish creature instead of a celestial creature. In fact, if you summon a fiendish creature, you're stuck with something that smites good (which is less useful, in general).

Scarab Sages

Good point. (And sorry, wasn't clear to me what part your "I'm not sure what you mean." applied to. 8^)

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