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Go see it!

I just worked and saw the New York premier, and I had no big expectations as I sat down to watch this movie but I have to say it was one of the best I have seen in about four years. I like Christopher Nolan's work, Leonardo can be and has been good, especially his early work but I don't rush to his films in the theater (especially since no less than two of his 'pussy posse' clan mates managed to get into this movie) - but wow !

Great flick ! And definitely one to see IN the theater ( as oppossed to waiting for the dvd, which should be available by tomorrow ;P ).

I called the ending though!

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

Agreed! This movie was amazing!


Could not agree more,this film is very worth watching.


I want to see this very badly...

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4

I would have like more of the Arthur character, he reminded me of Christian Bale in Equilibrium.

Spoiler:
Has anyone figured out why he didn't wake up from the 1st kick of the van going off the bridge?

Sovereign Court

Just came back from this movie. Just wow.

Sovereign Court

Scipion del Ferro wrote:

I would have like more of the Arthur character, he reminded me of Christian Bale in Equilibrium.

** spoiler omitted **

who was Arthur again?

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4

Arthur was the guy with the slicked back hair. The one left in the hotel who had to "improvise."

Sovereign Court

Scipion del Ferro wrote:

I would have like more of the Arthur character, he reminded me of Christian Bale in Equilibrium.

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
Hmm... good question... can you voluntary avoid the "kick"? I personally think the first kick wasn't "hard" enough to register to the occupants of the hotel...

During lunch a coworker and I were throwing all kinds of scenarios at this... basically, she thinks the last shot of the movie proves that Cobb is still dreaming at the end: when dreaming he wears his wedding ring and when he is awake he doesn't... she said the last shot 1) showed him wear a wedding ring and 2)she noticed his kids did not age one bit... :)

He's definitely in Limbo with Saito though, but he arrives in Limbo later (as evidenced by Saito's old age by the time he gets there...)

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
That's what I would think too, except they expected that kick to wake up people in the hotel. Remember they where surprised when they missed the first kick. I'm pretty sure you can't voluntarily miss a kick, that's kind of the whole point of them.

I think that Cobb is in a dream for the entire movie, and that Mal is actually alive and has been trying to get him to wake up from limbo. The projection of Mal acts completely different from other projections.

Sovereign Court

Man, this is one effed up movie. You could be right about the "dreaming the whole time" bit... :(

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4

Spoiler:
My friend who watched it twice claims that the top never stops spinning unless someone knocks it over or it's on an uneven surface.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

But PDK...

Spoiler:
the wedding ring thing... if he's dreaming the whole time then that's a red herring too. Or... he wears it when he's dreaming he's dreaming, and takes it off when he's merely dreaming?

Argh! Fantastic film! Still going round in circles :)

The Exchange

baron arem heshvaun wrote:
I called the ending though!

I've been hitting people over the head for years with the fact that string theory invalidates religion and evolution...It was inevitable that someone would reach the conclusion.

What you should be asking is...are they all trapped?, were 'his team' milking dicaprio for intel and using 'seeing his children' and 'returning to the USA' as a means of getting him to let go of 'his wife'.

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4

Spoiler:
Dingo your question doesn't make sense. If the entire thing is Cobb's dream than the majority of the people in it would be projections of his own subconscious. The only other person we know for sure who might be sharing the dream with him would be Mal. As the only time he would likely be dreaming, but think it's reality, is while he's trapped in Limbo. Only person dreaming with him while that happens is her. Though the version of Mal that wants him to stay in limbo would also be a projection rather then the real Mal. Or something.

-random tangent-
You know I refuse to watch the 3rd Matrix movie because of the ending of the second one.

There's a part where Neo shuts down a bunch of incoming machines outside of the Matrix and as we left the theatre I'm like, "Holy cow guys, you know that means they're still in the Matrix right? Like some kind of back-up zone they dump people when they realize the whole thing is a sham. It's the only way he could still influence the world like that!" Then I'm told my idea was actually never touched upon in the third movie and I was like, "Screw that I like my ending better."


Amazing and groundbreaking film... which never stops you thinking!

Spoiler:
Personally I do think the whole film is Cobb in a dreamscape but one that's been designed by Miles [Micheal Caine's character & Cobb's father-in-law] to try and get Cobb "back" from limbo, to accept Mal's death

Tis a head scrambler though...

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

That's a good idea Dow! The bit that really jarred me into full-on paranoia mode was when

Spoiler:
Mal asked him if he really thought he was awake, what with all those faceless corporations chasing him and stuff.


carborundum wrote:
That's a good idea Dow! The bit that really jarred me into full-on paranoia mode was when ** spoiler omitted **

Yeah know the part you mean... Nolan did a great job as you can either watch the film and take it "literally"... or allow your paranoia and headjam to kick in and conjure all manner of scenarios...

Will be thinking about this one for a LONG time lol... desperate to see it again so I can watch it with my theory in mind :)

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

Just read an even more out there theory:

brain-fry:
Mal incepted Cobb into thinking he'd incepted her. That guilt is keeping him in the dream with her and making him create ever more elaborate fantasies to stay there :-)

ARGH!!!


Oh mamma - that is brain burnout territory!

Mark of a great film though... keeps you thinking

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

Black Dow wrote:


Yeah know the part you mean... Nolan did a great job as you can either watch the film and take it "literally"... or allow your paranoia and headjam to kick in and conjure all manner of scenarios...

Perhaps Nolan incepted that paranoia into you? :D


Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
Black Dow wrote:


Yeah know the part you mean... Nolan did a great job as you can either watch the film and take it "literally"... or allow your paranoia and headjam to kick in and conjure all manner of scenarios...
Perhaps Nolan incepted that paranoia into you? :D

No that is plain nasty lol - I like the way your twisted head thinks... or rather how I'm made to think that your mind thinks :)

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Scipion del Ferro wrote:

I would have like more of the Arthur character, he reminded me of Christian Bale in Equilibrium.

** spoiler omitted **
who was Arthur again?

Re the van:

Spoiler:
Maybe I’m just filling in the plot holes myself, but I thought it was explained why the first kick didn’t wake them up; didn’t Yusuf engineer the sedative so that it would keep them under for a minor ‘kick’ and / or feeling of weightlessness? They would need a more major kick (like actual impact) to wake them.
Liberty's Edge

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Man, this is one effed up movie. You could be right about the "dreaming the whole time" bit... :(

Regarding how much of the movie was a dream ...

Spoiler:
Obviously this was meant to be quite ambiguous and the last scene could be interpreted either way ... though I’m pretty sure he IS dreaming (in his own dream) at that point.

But did you all notice how practically the whole movie (even when they are ‘awake’ – if they truly are) is shot like a dream. You never see how they arrive in a scene, they are just there! The Mombasa sequence in particular is very dream-like – the chase is like a dream (particularly the narrow escapes and the very narrow passageway) and the corporation thugs who are after him appear and act almost exactly like Fischer’s armed projections in the later inception mission.

Liberty's Edge

Regarding the final scene:

Spoiler:
I didn’t stay for the end of the closing credits, but according to Wikipedia, at the end of the credits you hear a sound that is supposed to be the spinning top falling, indicating that it is not a dream


Stuff:
We're never actually told how long he's had to spend away from the US. It could only be a year or so, for all we know. I believe the ending is true, as in the one sequence we see the spinning top in a dream it spins completely steady but in the final sequence, it is already beginning to topple, it just cuts out before it actually does.


I thought the movie was great, but it will be too confusing for some people. And for people who like to figure stuff out, it will give you a little headache... in a good way!

It also had some of the best fight scenes I've seen.

The End:

I'm in the camp that he's still in dream time.

The reason I think that:
1) The top is still spinning. Sure, it slightly wobbles, but ANYTHING can happen in dream time. The thing can wobble a million times and almost fall and keep going, after all, it's a dream.

2) His kids never seem to age. His kids in his memory are the same as when he sees them, and we're lead to believe he is away for more than a few months (by his conversations with his mother-in-law). Kids grow fast at age 3-5 and even a year, they would look different.

3) His wife has a point. Maybe she is the one who escaped her subconscious and he is still trapped. A lot of things in his life make no sense, like he was in a dream.

Btw, who has the power (besides the President) to make a phone call and wipe your record from the customs databases? Reality check: No one! Certainly not some corporate smuck, not even Bill Gates (although maybe he would hack in, lol).

I actually believe the Asian guy (who he saved at the end), was actually trying Inception on Leonardo! I believe it was all part of his plan, only Leonardo didn't "get it" and it didn't work.

It's hard to tell what really happenned, maybe we'll never know. Or maybe there will be an Inception 2. :)

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4

Counter Inception


Scipion del Ferro wrote:
Counter Inception

~laughter~

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