Why not license Dreamscarred to develop Psionics for Paizo?


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From the Hero Labs post:

Lisa Stevens wrote:
Eric Tillemans wrote:
Lord Pel wrote:

My thoughts echoes what others have said.

I have tried Hero Lab and do not find it worth the cost they are charging. I think the only reason why Paizo made this decision was because Lone Wolf gave them enough money. I do not begrudge Paizo's decision.

Also, what does this mean for user created character generators/sheets such as Erian_7s or Ogre's? Does this mean LoneWolf can issue cease and desist orders to them? If so, then I will REALLY not be happy.

As to the comment 'despite the negative voices in this thread, seems to be one of the most popular tools among the consumers?' How are you measuring popularity? Sounds like a specious argument to me.

As far as I know it's not an 'exclusive' license, just offically supported.

Correct. The Hero Labs software is licensed. All the other tools can still exist under the OGL and the Pathfinder Compatibility License. We aren't pushing anybody out of the market. We just were impressed with the tool that Lone Wolf showed us and decided to get them a license so they could include some non-OGL stuff into their software.

<snikt>

-Lisa

If Paizo can license HL's stuff for its non-OGL, how about extend that further and license Dreamscarred Press upcoming Psionic supp for Pathfinder as the "official" version? I've read posts that even Paizo's not really familiar with the SRD psionics.


But, to play Devil's Advocate, they are much more likely to be comfortable fully integrating a psionics system they work on themselves then they would be trying to adapt to a psionics system developed out of house. I honestly don't think it would be very wise, for Paizo or Dreamscarred Press, to have a major part of the "official" rules developed out of house.

If Paizo ever pulled the "official" status, it would adversely affect Dreamscarred Press, and Paizo isn't in on the ground floor and isn't automatically inclined to get up to speed on the system because it isn't their baby.

To give an example, I've developed a bit of a habit of picking up Super Genius Games products, and while I enjoy many of them, I wouldn't expect Paizo to make any of those products "official," nor would it be in SGG games best interests to chain their products to waiting on Paizo to declare them official.

On the other hand, anything that is produced under the OGL can still be used in Pathfinder, meaning that that putting things out that can be used is probably a good test bed for any company. I'm not trying to douse any hopes here, I just wanted to present some reasons why this might not be something that happens.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Several reasons were given for that, with the most importnant ones being:

a) Paizo team isn't that hung up on 3.5 psionics
b) It's hard to integrate 3.5 psi into APs and supplements


I seem to recall a comment made by someone (Eric, Jason...?) that they would be open to the possibility of using a well designed 3rd party OGL revision of psionics. Not making it 'official', but using it as the default rules used.
Now, this was months ago, and I could be totally getting it wrong but that's what I 'think' I remember.


Frankly I thought the answer was: because that would close doors. I think Paizo still intend to do their own psionics supplement at some point in the future.


I think the better option would be to hire dreamscarred as a freelance studio, to do the work they want, since they have the expertise to do what Paizo wants.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

While I'd LOVE to see Dreamscarred Press do a Pathfinder version of the psionics rules, we don't want to license them the "official" Pathfinder rules at this time. What we eventually do with psionics hasn't been decided yet... but I'm a big enough fan of psionics that I'd love to do such a book in-house.

Hopefully, we'll have more 3rd party publishers producing Pathfinder material. We don't have the time or resources to institute any form of approval process for those books, though, which would be required if we were to dub any of them "official." That's not really in the spirit of the open gaming movement, anyway. Much better to have lots of choices out there.


James Jacobs wrote:

While I'd LOVE to see Dreamscarred Press do a Pathfinder version of the psionics rules, we don't want to license them the "official" Pathfinder rules at this time. What we eventually do with psionics hasn't been decided yet... but I'm a big enough fan of psionics that I'd love to do such a book in-house.

Hopefully, we'll have more 3rd party publishers producing Pathfinder material. We don't have the time or resources to institute any form of approval process for those books, though, which would be required if we were to dub any of them "official." That's not really in the spirit of the open gaming movement, anyway. Much better to have lots of choices out there.

Amen! To me, Paizo has been the most open supporter of 3PP in general. So I think the best thing we could do as 3PP is to keep putting out great RPG material.

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LMPjr007 wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

While I'd LOVE to see Dreamscarred Press do a Pathfinder version of the psionics rules, we don't want to license them the "official" Pathfinder rules at this time. What we eventually do with psionics hasn't been decided yet... but I'm a big enough fan of psionics that I'd love to do such a book in-house.

Hopefully, we'll have more 3rd party publishers producing Pathfinder material. We don't have the time or resources to institute any form of approval process for those books, though, which would be required if we were to dub any of them "official." That's not really in the spirit of the open gaming movement, anyway. Much better to have lots of choices out there.

Amen! To me, Paizo has been the most open supporter of 3PP in general. So I think the best thing we could do as 3PP is to keep putting out great RPG material.

I'll second that =)

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James Jacobs wrote:
That's not really in the spirit of the open gaming movement, anyway. Much better to have lots of choices out there.

Good point ^_^

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I just wanted to pop in right quick and share an observation I have made about Pathfinder 3PP.

So far, the 3PP have been producing some high quality products. I was unsure about investing in them at first, remembering the 3PP days of d20 and the low quality stuff produced then. But so far I have been VERY impressed!

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