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Is there any way of printing the greenbelt map on page 14 of Stolen Lands without the text or symbols? I wanted to print it off, then cut it up into hexes, and have the players glue the hexes onto the blank hex sheet from the player's guide as they mapped.
My apologies if this has already been asked and answered, but my search turned up nothing.
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Afraid not, I have been looking too. One of my players is physically building and painting the Greenbelt with a Mighty Empires Warhammer Fantasy hex set while i'm stuck in Ukraine.
I resorted to using the .pdf and simply cropping out the text; and I have moved a few things around in case he remembers where he saw locations marked out. He's also banned from group decisions on hex exploration lol
If you extract the map with a program like SomePDF you'll get the map without any text, but with the hexes intact.
It has been asked before, frequently enough that some might come of as a bit snarky in reply. So bear with us.
If you are using a Windows operating system, you can install version 8 of Adobe Acrobat Reader, not 9. If memory serves, you can then right click on the image to extract it and the copy you get won't have text.
If you are using Ubuntu, the pre-installed Document Viewer can already do this with a right click > save as.
I'm not certain about Mac.
I honestly don't know if I'm allowed to do this, but just let me know if I need to take this down and it'll be done in a jiffy. I keep seeing requests for it though...
If there's a copyright thingy I need to add to the description or something I can always do that too. I'm just trying to help out the less technically inclined gamers.
edit: took out the link
I honestly don't know if I'm allowed to do this, but just let me know if I need to take this down and it'll be done in a jiffy. I keep seeing requests for it though...
If there's a copyright thingy I need to add to the description or something I can always do that too. I'm just trying to help out the less technically inclined gamers.
AFAIK you're not allowed according to the Community Use Policy.
But it's not that hard to get it once you know how to extract the images from pdfs, though.
Hrmm, well I'll take out the link for now just in case. While I suppose it's super easy to get the picture from the pdf, you do technically need the pdf first... Man copyright laws are such a pain.
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So... SomePDF or Acrobat 8. Too easy. I had tried Foxit and Acrobat 9, no joy.
Thanks for the assistance. I wonder why Paizo doesn't just include these in the pdf to begin with? It's not like a Pdf has to worry about page count, it would take them two seconds, and it would add value to the pdf, and by extension, the subscription...
So... SomePDF or Acrobat 8. Too easy. I had tried Foxit and Acrobat 9, no joy.
Thanks for the assistance. I wonder why Paizo doesn't just include these in the pdf to begin with? It's not like a Pdf has to worry about page count, it would take them two seconds, and it would add value to the pdf, and by extension, the subscription...
Perhaps issue #2 of Kingmaker has this in its PDF?
Perhaps issue #2 of Kingmaker has this in its PDF?So... SomePDF or Acrobat 8. Too easy. I had tried Foxit and Acrobat 9, no joy.
Thanks for the assistance. I wonder why Paizo doesn't just include these in the pdf to begin with? It's not like a Pdf has to worry about page count, it would take them two seconds, and it would add value to the pdf, and by extension, the subscription...
havent seen it anywhere, but could do with one due to the nature of the kingdom buidling
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So... SomePDF or Acrobat 8. Too easy. I had tried Foxit and Acrobat 9, no joy.
Thanks for the assistance. I wonder why Paizo doesn't just include these in the pdf to begin with? It's not like a Pdf has to worry about page count, it would take them two seconds, and it would add value to the pdf, and by extension, the subscription...
Because the images are BIG and we try to keep the PDFs as small as we can. And because we'd have to add additional pages to the product which makes the PDF version for sale different than the PDF version we send to the printer, which more or less doubles our own storage demands on our servers. And which takes more than "two seconds" to do... I'm not in the PDF Making side of things so I can't say if there are more reasons why we don't just add tagless copies of every map.
Part of it, too, is that we just don't have time. We have to cut off the "things we provide" at some point.
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So... SomePDF or Acrobat 8. Too easy. I had tried Foxit and Acrobat 9, no joy.
Thanks for the assistance. I wonder why Paizo doesn't just include these in the pdf to begin with? It's not like a Pdf has to worry about page count, it would take them two seconds, and it would add value to the pdf, and by extension, the subscription...
Because the images are BIG and we try to keep the PDFs as small as we can. And because we'd have to add additional pages to the product which makes the PDF version for sale different than the PDF version we send to the printer, which more or less doubles our own storage demands on our servers. And which takes more than "two seconds" to do... I'm not in the PDF Making side of things so I can't say if there are more reasons why we don't just add tagless copies of every map.
Part of it, too, is that we just don't have time. We have to cut off the "things we provide" at some point.
I understand your points, however:
The images are already in the pdf. Besides which, we aren't talking that large, the extracted map of the greenbelt is only 232kb. But, if even that is a problem...
...Why not just leave them as separate layers in the released pdf? That would be the same size, and would be the same pdf you send to the printer, but those of us opening it on a computer could print just that layer without have to extract the pdf. OR,
If for some reason the layered pdf causes problems with the printer's copy, just do it for the downloadable one. You wouldn't have to double the "storage demands" on your servers, because the printer's copy wouldn't be there, only the downloadable one.
Other companies already do something like this. See 0one Games' Blueprint line, for instance.
Or some kind of Community Use thingy to let other people put up the maps?
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I understand your points, however:
The images are already in the pdf. Besides which, we aren't talking that large, the extracted map of the greenbelt is only 232kb. But, if even that is a problem...
...Why not just leave them as separate layers in the released pdf? That would be the same size, and would be the same pdf you send to the printer, but those of us opening it on a computer could print just that layer without have to extract the pdf. OR,
If for some reason the layered pdf causes problems with the printer's copy, just do it for the downloadable one. You wouldn't have to double the "storage demands" on your servers, because the printer's copy wouldn't be there, only the downloadable one.
Other companies already do something like this. See 0one Games' Blueprint line, for instance.
Again, I don't make the PDFs. I can't say why we don't do things that way; I'll ask around, though. But frankly, PDFs are, to me, incredibly complicated and tinkering with them after editing and layout is done makes me very nervous. We've had some pretty embarrassing errors go to print as a result of tinkering with the PDFs after they were supposedly "complete" and all the way through editing, after all. (And no, I'm not interested in pointing them out.) And in the meantime, it's my understanding that you CAN extract the files if you use the right program in the right way.
And the community use license is already VERY permissive. It's about as permissive as we can make it, in fact, before it starts getting into some uncomfortable territory for us.
Anyway, I'll look into it.
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I understand your points, however:
The images are already in the pdf. Besides which, we aren't talking that large, the extracted map of the greenbelt is only 232kb. But, if even that is a problem...
...Why not just leave them as separate layers in the released pdf? That would be the same size, and would be the same pdf you send to the printer, but those of us opening it on a computer could print just that layer without have to extract the pdf. OR,
If for some reason the layered pdf causes problems with the printer's copy, just do it for the downloadable one. You wouldn't have to double the "storage demands" on your servers, because the printer's copy wouldn't be there, only the downloadable one.
Other companies already do something like this. See 0one Games' Blueprint line, for instance.
Again, I don't make the PDFs. I can't say why we don't do things that way; I'll ask around, though. But frankly, PDFs are, to me, incredibly complicated and tinkering with them after editing and layout is done makes me very nervous. We've had some pretty embarrassing errors go to print as a result of tinkering with the PDFs after they were supposedly "complete" and all the way through editing, after all. (And no, I'm not interested in pointing them out.) And in the meantime, it's my understanding that you CAN extract the files if you use the right program in the right way.
And the community use license is already VERY permissive. It's about as permissive as we can make it, in fact, before it starts getting into some uncomfortable territory for us.
Anyway, I'll look into it.
Actually, the license is another thing I was wondering about. Specifically, am I allowed to print my copy of the pdf and bind it? Some print places won't touch something like this, meaning I'd have to print it out myself. What about handouts? Can I print out multiple copies for all the players? And, speaking of images, what about pictures of monsters and NPCs? Or maps? I don't want to step on the toes of the Gamemastery people. Is there an FAQ on the site somewhere that lays this out clearly? I couldn't find anything in the AP itself except the usual OGL.
Oh, and off topic, but I just saw something I missed on first read-through. You listed which Flip-mats and Map Packs would be useful while exploring on page 13 of the AP. When I saw that, I ordered them on the spot. Before,
Since there are too many back-issues of Map packs and flip-mats to just order the lot, this provides a great place to start collecting. I just wish the reference was easier to spot (maybe in a separate box?), or was in the adventure description so I could have ordered it to ship with the AP.
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You can absolutely print and bind a copy of your PDF, but honestly, getting that done is probably going to be comparable or even more expensive than just buying a print copy, isn't it? Especially if you're trying to get a copy that's printed as high quality as our print copies?
And you can certainly print additional copies of the maps and images for your own home personal use. You can't sell them, though, or republish them or give them away in mass (such as posting them to a website).
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You can absolutely print and bind a copy of your PDF, but honestly, getting that done is probably going to be comparable or even more expensive than just buying a print copy, isn't it? Especially if you're trying to get a copy that's printed as high quality as our print copies?
And you can certainly print additional copies of the maps and images for your own home personal use. You can't sell them, though, or republish them or give them away in mass (such as posting them to a website).
It depends. For the Hardcovers, and to a lesser extent the Chronicles, it's certainly cheaper to buy the printed version. But, for the Companions, when you calculate shipping to Canada for something not shipped with my subscription, it works out to about the same. Not quite the same quality, of course.