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What the subject line says. One of my favorite supps is Monte Cook Presents The Year's Best D20 Volume One. I would love another publisher to generate such a yearly supp, preferably in print.
Other supps I'd love to see:
Arabian Nights-esque campaign book.
Developing Pathfinder classes via some sorta point buy system.
Sword and Sorcery ala Conan, Iron Heroes, etc.
Setting based on some fantasy book/series. Examples include Thieves World, The Black Company, etc. And yes, I know it's expensive.
Setting from some popular set of adventures. The Freeport campaign, for example, emerged from the Freeport trilogy.
Something like Dungeonaday.com but set in wilderness, cities, etc.
Advice book on adapting Pathfinder rules to more traditional fantasy staples (e.g., wizards don't lose their spells after casting them, knocking out targets with one punch, etc.)
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What the subject line says.
Setting based on some fantasy book/series. Examples include Thieves World, The Black Company, etc. And yes, I know it's expensive.
Wow, as someone who worked on both the Black Company and Thieves' World RPGs I'd love to see Green Ronin update them for Pathfinder. But I suspect you're right, it's ot financially realistics. With BC, at least, it wouldn't be hard to take the existing book and adapt the new elements (mass combat rules at differenet scales, new spellcasting system) yourself.
Setting from some popular set of adventures. The Freeport campaign, for example, emerged from the Freeport trilogy.
Are you think abhout any adventures in particular?
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Wow, as someone who worked on both the Black Company and Thieves' World RPGs I'd love to see Green Ronin update them for Pathfinder.What the subject line says.
Setting based on some fantasy book/series. Examples include Thieves World, The Black Company, etc. And yes, I know it's expensive.
That's right! What sections did you work on btw, Stephen? I especially like TW's magic system.
Are you think abhout any adventures in particular?
Not at the moment. Let me look through my D20 mods....
What the subject line says. One of my favorite supps is Monte Cook Presents The Year's Best D20 Volume One. I would love another publisher to generate such a yearly supp, preferably in print.
This would take someone with the "Name" level ability that Monte had.
Now that being said I would LOVE paizo if they did this. I want this both as a customer and as a publisher. I think it would be awesome to see the best of 3PP actually incorporated into the Pathfinder Rpg, as alot of 3PP have some incredible ideas. I also think it would point customs to good products. In a way its like a computer company adopting open source code. For publishers it would help sales when paizo says Book X had good enough material for us to adopt it, so you might want to pick that book up. Its also an ego boost to the author and the publisher, that Paizo sees value in their work.
If a 3PP did this, it would have to be one that had a name people respected like "Owen K. C. Stephens" which would then disqualify all his wonderful works from consideration, and this is something I don't want.
I hope Paizo considers this idea, as I think that a combination of The Years's Best 3rd Party Pathfinder Rpg products and Arcana Unearthed could be a viable product line, and heck they don't have to pay an author :)
Steve Russell
Rite Publishing
One of my favorite supps is Monte Cook Presents The Year's Best D20 Volume One. I would love another publisher to generate such a yearly supp, preferably in print.
Now that being said I would LOVE paizo if they did this.
2nd.
What the subject line says. One of my favorite supps is Monte Cook Presents The Year's Best D20 Volume One. I would love another publisher to generate such a yearly supp, preferably in print.This would take someone with the "Name" level ability that Monte had.
Now that being said I would LOVE paizo if they did this. I want this both as a customer and as a publisher. I think it would be awesome to see the best of 3PP actually incorporated into the Pathfinder Rpg, as alot of 3PP have some incredible ideas. I also think it would point customs to good products. In a way its like a computer company adopting open source code. For publishers it would help sales when paizo says Book X had good enough material for us to adopt it, so you might want to pick that book up. Its also an ego boost to the author and the publisher, that Paizo sees value in their work.
If a 3PP did this, it would have to be one that had a name people respected like "Owen K. C. Stephens" which would then disqualify all his wonderful works from consideration, and this is something I don't want.
I hope Paizo considers this idea, as I think that a combination of The Years's Best 3rd Party Pathfinder Rpg products and Arcana Unearthed could be a viable product line, and heck they don't have to pay an author :)
Just before SGG put out their pitch, I essentially said the same thing here. Whether or not anyone from Paizo gets involved (but it would be nice if someone at least gives a name cred such as 'advisor' or 'executive producer' to the project), I still want to see something to the effect as mentioned in this thread as a continuation once the base chassis is out there and available. This could be a annual or quarterly type of product. It's full of win!
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Whether or not anyone from Paizo gets involved (but it would be nice if someone at least gives a name cred such as 'advisor' or 'executive producer' to the project), I still want to see something to the effect as mentioned in this thread as a continuation once the base chassis is out there and available. This could be a annual or quarterly type of product. It's full of win!
Glad to hear the support. I agree with y'all: Paizo definitely has the name recognition. (Heck, maybe they can entice Monte to judge a second volume.)
However, don't know how profitable such a product would be to Paizo. While OSC for Pathfinder continues to grow, there has not been the huge explosion as 3.x back in the day. And I don't know if folks would be willing to pony up for OSC for 3.x stuff especially if the original owner has closed shop (e.g., Sword & Sorcery).
Hmmm. Wonder if KQ would be interested in some sorta "annual" issue with such content....
Hmmm. Wonder if KQ would be interested in some sorta "annual" issue with such content....
Well, they do have the print and ad marketing already in place; just need the wider distribution to places like Barnes & Noble and Borders, for instance.
I realize that color print can be expensive and a lot of times, I'm not liking what I'm seeing with the layout / presentation out there for 3PP. I have to admit that Monte's Malhavoc imprints with their b&w content has been the best I've seen with regard to keeping costs down outside of color presentation.
...I'm not liking what I'm seeing with the layout / presentation out there for 3PP.What do you mean?
I don't want to disparage some 3PPs, but have you ever come across some of the formatting that's trying to save on cost? Not to that extreme, but remember the ole Palladium releases?
Even if there's great crunch, if the artwork and layout presentation is not easy on the eyes, then it's down hill for me.
...I'm not liking what I'm seeing with the layout / presentation out there for 3PP.What do you mean?I don't want to disparage some 3PPs, but have you ever come across some of the formatting that's trying to save on cost? Not to that extreme, but remember the ole Palladium releases?
Even if there's great crunch, if the artwork and layout presentation is not easy on the eyes, then it's down hill for me.
You may not want to disparage, but that's a pretty disparaging thing to say when it's just thrown out there. Be more specific - constructive criticism is beneficial to any 3PP.
I don't think there's a 3PP out there that wants to produce a bad-looking product, and knowing that it doesn't look as good as it should is something we need to know.
You may not want to disparage, but that's a pretty disparaging thing to say when it's just thrown out there. Be more specific - constructive criticism is beneficial to any 3PP.
I don't think there's a 3PP out there that wants to produce a bad-looking product, and knowing that it doesn't look as good as it should is something we need to know.
You have a point, but I also am painfully aware of cost constraints and at least try to give credit that they're actually trying.
I will at least say that I cannot specifically speak of your products as I've yet to purchse any. But seeing that you guys have stuff bundled into the Haiti bundle over at RPGNow, I'll get my first glance shortly. :)
IMHO its unrealistic to compare a start up 3pp to Malhavoc Press.
Also you might consider Malhavoc's own evolution from Book of Eldritch Might I, to say Ptolus or Book of Experimental Might.
IMHO its unrealistic to compare a start up 3pp to Malhavoc Press.
Also you might consider Malhavoc's own evolution from Book of Eldritch Might I, to say Ptolus or Book of Experimental Might.
Exactly. Which is one of the reasons I do not necessarily want to disparage anyone needlessly. There are times I like to believe that one hasn't arrived to their fullest potential. Also, I may not have the relationship with certain 3PPs where there's a mutual understanding that the constructive criticisms I may have is really about finding the means and/or inspiration to improve their products to hopefully gain more appeal rather than to just trash the product outright. We all have our own learning curve scale; some of us evolve at different paces.
Now, on the other hand, if there are some 3PPs that are releasing crap just to make a quick buck on a trend and and do not care about quality control, yet use deceptive practices to make us think a product is otherwise, well then ... they deserve their due karma. ;)
But Malhavoc Press' BOXM b/w interior is definitely an aesthetic I appreciate when setting the bar if one finds color a bit too expensive to produce for their background and/or artwork.
I'd like to see some old fashion dungeon crawls and outdoors adventures...
What length are you looking for?
I'd like to see some old fashion dungeon crawls and outdoors adventures...What length are you looking for?
From a pdf adventure I tend to want between 16-32 pages for ease of printing.
Of course, I'd love to see more high level adventures. Anything level 15+. For those I'd expect between 32-64 pages.
We are working on a dungeon crawl and our high level adventure is under constuction (though deinol already knows about the high level adventure)
We are working on a dungeon crawl and our high level adventure is under constuction (though deinol already knows about the high level adventure)
I love Boomer's project, but I want more high level goodness! I have enough content to take a dozen games from 1-15, but barely enough to take one from 15-20. (City of Brass is probably my best high level product, but I know few publishers can tackle something like that.)
Here's something I've always wondered about. I suck at adventure writing. I've tried in the past and I failed spectacularly. I can do adventures when it comes to people I know, designed for specific characters, but a plotline for unspecific groups, my skills fall flat.
What I can do is make interesting, balanced encounter. There my skills are good. Would a balanced encounters (with a printable square grid map and a smaller GM's map) be something of interest? New/upgraded monsters, the whole works. But it require the GM to "just add plotline". (Why am I getting visions of an oven mit in chain mail and calling it Adventure Helper?)
What I would like to see from ANY publisher is full size maps or map tiles with adventures. More & more, products are written with the idea of miniatures in mind. While I haven't been using them, I will begin to use the maps with my newly purchased d20Pro software. Quality maps that can be scanned, or downloaded, would be nice. If the game is getting more into needing maps, then I think publishers should furnish the type we need to actually play.
@xorial we do that with every patronage project, that is where almost all the maps for our Fantastic Maps line comes from. Coliseum Morpehuon will have these for each map we do and our Evocative City Sites has pritable map packs as well.
Also are you aware of Breaking of Fostor Nagar its all about the maps :)
@xorial we do that with every patronage project, that is where almost all the maps for our Fantastic Maps line comes from. Coliseum Morpehuon will have these for each map we do and our Evocative City Sites has pritable map packs as well.
Also are you aware of Breaking of Fostor Nagar its all about the maps :)
I was aware of the last. I have chosen to use d20Pro because, despite the cost, seems easier to use. Will the maps be able to be used with that product?
The maps are open to use with any program.
Developing Pathfinder classes via some sorta point buy system.
Since we did a point based Race Creation Cokbook, so I am sure we will be doing this some time in the future.
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I'd like to see some old fashion dungeon crawls and outdoors adventures...What length are you looking for?
I was actually thinking of something less than 1 level's worth of xp...allowing for some random encounters or DM fiddling.
I'm not sure what level would tickle my fancy the most - I buy almost anything for the thrill of reading and to pilfer ideas.
My favorite adventures of late include The Moaning Cave from Field of Daisies and the Red Spur Gorge from In the Realm of the Elm King.
Two of my all-time favorite adventures include Hollow's Last Hope and The Whispering Cairn...
Just thought of something else. I would like it if a company advertises being PFRPG compatible, then follow the design conventions. Like classes being done with the BAB & HD matched. Just a nitpick, but it gets annoying to see stuff claim to be compatible, but ignoring these things. It just comes down to I want the product to do what it claims.
That requires Distribution and a print run.
The only one I believe might have access that is activly poducing product right now would be Adamant through Cubical 7, I do know they may be able to order 4winds stuff via Indie Press Revolution.
I am working on that right now through IPR myself.
Just dawned on me, but more print stuff! One of my FLGS remarked recently that while there's plenty of buyers for the core books, he hasn't seen the explosion that had accompanied DnD 3.x 3PP in its heyday.
We're also looking at putting a couple of products into print, one most likely in March/April and one around PaizoCon.
Hyrum.
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That requires Distribution and a print run.
The only one I believe might have access that is activly poducing product right now would be Adamant through Cubical 7, I do know they may be able to order 4winds stuff via Indie Press Revolution.
I am working on that right now through IPR myself.
Have you thought about Mongoose? They have their line of 3PP prints, Flaming Cobra, or something like that which is how Crafty Games prints Fantasy Craft.
Yes I am thinking about showing them Coliseum Morpheuon when it is done.
Just dawned on me, but more print stuff! One of my FLGS remarked recently that while there's plenty of buyers for the core books, he hasn't seen the explosion that had accompanied DnD 3.x 3PP in its heyday.
Already in the works. Printing and distribution deals already in place. The rough draft is done for my june release. I'm just editing and playtesting (fyi, we need a few more playtesters).
If you want more 3PP to make print products, buy the ones that are available! When we sell print products, it makes it a lot more feasible to make more of them.
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Setting based on some fantasy book/series. Examples include Thieves World, The Black Company
That's right! What sections did you work on btw, Stephen? I especially like TW's magic system.
Thieves World was a lot of fun because -all- the writers wortked together on the whole process, as did the main author and editor for the fiction stories. That remains a rare event for me as a freelancer. I pitched in with comments and feedback all over, including running numbers on the magic system, but my memory is that the core of the magic came from Rob. I was busy working on Murder at the Vulgar Unicorn.
That requires Distribution and a print run.
The only one I believe might have access that is activly poducing product right now would be Adamant through Cubical 7, I do know they may be able to order 4winds stuff via Indie Press Revolution.
I am working on that right now through IPR myself.
Yup, our print products are available for sale to distribution through IPR. If you want your FLGS to carry our stuff (and we'd love it if they did!) tell them about IPR.
Robert Thomson
4 Winds Fantasy Gaming
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Thieves World was a lot of fun because -all- the writers wortked together on the whole process, as did the main author and editor for the fiction stories. That remains a rare event for me as a freelancer. I pitched in with comments and feedback all over, including running numbers on the magic system, but my memory is that the core of the magic came from Rob. I was busy working on Murder at the Vulgar Unicorn.Setting based on some fantasy book/series. Examples include Thieves World, The Black Company
That's right! What sections did you work on btw, Stephen? I especially like TW's magic system.
Sweet! Did you have a chance to interact with the TW authors like the Asprins?
Anyone working on a fighter supp similar to Tome of Battle?
I've thought of something like that, but I'm waiting to see what (if anything) Paizo does. Kingmaker AP is suppose to have some kind of rules for running a kingdom or something like that, IIRC. There may/may not be rules for mass combat there or either the GM's Guide or the APG. From the way the Paizians are talking, if they were planning such rules in the short term, I'd expect them to be in one of those three locations. Post-GenCon (if such rules do not exist and there is no talk of such rules coming out) I'd consider something like that.
Or wait, do you mean the Bo9S? Something like that is not on my drawing board.
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Anyone working on a fighter supp similar to Tome of Battle?I've thought of something like that, but I'm waiting to see what (if anything) Paizo does. Kingmaker AP is suppose to have some kind of rules for running a kingdom or something like that, IIRC. There may/may not be rules for mass combat there or either the GM's Guide or the APG. From the way the Paizians are talking, if they were planning such rules in the short term, I'd expect them to be in one of those three locations. Post-GenCon (if such rules do not exist and there is no talk of such rules coming out) I'd consider something like that.
Or wait, do you mean the Bo9S? Something like that is not on my drawing board.
Oops! You're right. I meant Book of Nine Swords. My mind's fuzzy without that first cup of coffee.
Anyone working on a fighter supp similar to Tome of Battle?
EDIT: Sorry. Meant Book of Nine Swords.
Actually, yes. 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming is working on "Strategists and Tacticians" with 3.5 Private Sanctuary. From the announcement:
Fans of Costello’s podcasts have heard whispers of his proposal for Strategists and Tacticians – The Definitive Guide to Clever Warfare for a number of months. 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming will be releasing the 96 page sourcebook. Like their other products, it is 100% compatible with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. Strategists and Tacticians introduces new rules and combat maneuvers as well as over 50 new feats, a dozen new prestige classes, and a variety of new spells. With new options like severing limbs and choking, combat gains a new edge. With a hint of humor and the insight of narrator Flynn Dielle, Strategists and Tacticians combines everything fans have come to expect from 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming and 3.5 Private Sanctuary.
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For me, as almost always, it's all about the magic. I'm a sucker for magic-using characters, so I'll buy just about any well-done compendium of feats, spells, skill options, prestige classes, and the like that caters to that, just because I know I'll use it eventually. Independent beastiaries are a safe sale for me too... I have just about every major monster book put out for 3.0/3.5, and WILL buy them. Anything with lots of new player races is an instant-sale for me too.
Good adventures are always a plus too. I am very unable to map, and anything with the level of detail that I need is well worth buying for me, even if the story isn't up to par. I can MAKE a story... I can't map. :)
I would LOVE to see a Year's Best d20/Pathfinder tome as a regular feature from someone. Seems to me like that'd be a great way to get something I've wanted from a lot of 3PP creators... their excellent .pdf items in a print format. (Dead tree all the way, here. PLEASE, guys, I'm EAGER to give you money for this stuff... create a lulu.com account or something and let me.)
Thanks for starting this thread, guys... some of this stuff mentioned are concepts that I wasn't even aware I wanted until I saw it here. :)
I would LOVE to see a Year's Best d20/Pathfinder tome as a regular feature from someone. Seems to me like that'd be a great way to get something I've wanted from a lot of 3PP creators... their excellent .pdf items in a print format. (Dead tree all the way, here. PLEASE, guys, I'm EAGER to give you money for this stuff... create a lulu.com account or something and let me.)
This. Monte Cook did it one year, but did not continue on. This should be revived to help push out to others at a cheap price (kinda like what the Haiti donation gig did over at RPGNow/DriveTHRU) and help promote / advertise the 3PP'ers out there each year. Use it as a leader loss to promote their other contents.
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I treasure my Monte Cook one of those quite a bit. Fantasy Flight Games did something similar, only limited solely to their company with the Mastercraft Anthology. (Each chapter had some neat rule, prestige class, set of feats, race, spells, magic items, or traps from another book in their line, all for 5.00 cover price. That thing was MADE of awesome.)
I treasure my Monte Cook one of those quite a bit. Fantasy Flight Games did something similar, only limited solely to their company with the Mastercraft Anthology. (Each chapter had some neat rule, prestige class, set of feats, race, spells, magic items, or traps from another book in their line, all for 5.00 cover price. That thing was MADE of awesome.)
Don't think I ever heard of that one. Is there a link to it somewhere even if it's likely OOP just to peruse the summary?
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No idea where anything official is online... I mass-bought mine at a FLGS in a city I don't actually live in. I'm reasonably sure it was on Amazon, since I bought several MORE copies of it as Chrismas and birthday gifts there last year. Cheapest copy there right now is just 2.95, which is just ridiculous for the value. (Three new races, including an energy being and sentient undead; rules on small gods, as per the Pratchett book; fighting styles; some of the single nastiest traps I've ever seen, including the efreet coin; minor monster templates; ritual magic; new items; and a host of other stuff.) Seriously, if you ever read anything in their product line, and enjoyed it, go buy it. I ended up buying every single thing they took a chapter from, and the products released afterward, just in case. (I was never disappointed either... Cityworks has one of the best versions of an assassin base class ever, and I didn't even guess that was in the book.) Good stuff. I'm a BIG fan of this company. Makes me genuinely shocked I never heard of the Midnight setting they published until three weeks ago!
Since you know what you're looking for can you send me the Amazon link? Gracias!
Since you know what you're looking for can you send me the Amazon link? Gracias!
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Anyone working on a fighter supp similar to Tome of Battle?
EDIT: Sorry. Meant Book of Nine Swords.
Actually, yes. 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming is working on "Strategists and Tacticians" with 3.5 Private Sanctuary. From the announcement:
Fans of Costello’s podcasts have heard whispers of his proposal for Strategists and Tacticians – The Definitive Guide to Clever Warfare for a number of months. 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming will be releasing the 96 page sourcebook. Like their other products, it is 100% compatible with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. Strategists and Tacticians introduces new rules and combat maneuvers as well as over 50 new feats, a dozen new prestige classes, and a variety of new spells. With new options like severing limbs and choking, combat gains a new edge. With a hint of humor and the insight of narrator Flynn Dielle, Strategists and Tacticians combines everything fans have come to expect from 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming and 3.5 Private Sanctuary.
W00T!
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This. Monte Cook did it one year, but did not continue on. This should be revived to help push out to others at a cheap price (kinda like what the Haiti donation gig did over at RPGNow/DriveTHRU) and help promote / advertise the 3PP'ers out there each year. Use it as a leader loss to promote their other contents.I would LOVE to see a Year's Best d20/Pathfinder tome as a regular feature from someone. Seems to me like that'd be a great way to get something I've wanted from a lot of 3PP creators... their excellent .pdf items in a print format. (Dead tree all the way, here. PLEASE, guys, I'm EAGER to give you money for this stuff... create a lulu.com account or something and let me.)
+1.