Hey guys, it's me again.
Right now on the boards there's a pretty sweeping debate concerning character creation and campaign restrictions, and I'd like an opportunity to prove it wrong and show how deep and meaningful a game can be that starts from scratch.
Anyone and everyone is welcome to make a PC here, I'll help out.
I'm going to leave the rules as they are, but point out that everything ever published for 3.X is open for discussion (Including APG playtest classes), though WotC books and Pathfinder 3rd parties will be more likely than 3.0/3.5 third party material.
If you guys like, I'd be happy to run you in a game once the PC's are complete. No you don't need to be a happy party that knows eachother or any of that, you are all indidividuals, people first. Any party that forms will form organically.
Alright, character creation guidelines.
1: I would prefer if the PC was human-esque, if it walked and talked, etc. This could range from pixies to demons. We'll use the Pathfinder monstrous creature guidelines. If they aren't serving adequately I'll start houseruling. Non human-esque creatures (such as awakened animals) are available, but do keep in mind the difficulties that would come with such a choice. Whatever you are must be capable of communicating (speech, telepathy, etc.)
2: Come with at least one, preferably several character concepts, and we'll discuss them. Remember these concepts need to be deep and meaningful, this isn't a video-game avatar, it's a very real person your acting as. We'll work through the concepts, figure out how to best represent them mechanically, and flesh out their backgrounds to bring them to life.
3: Characters are starting at level 3, and ability scores are chosen from this array. 18, 16, 14, 14, 12, 10. Any class or alternate class feature, any feat, any spell. I will be watching for mechanical issues (Spells that are too powerful for the level, feats that are too weak, class features that don't do what they were intended to do.)
4: Have fun:) Remember the whole point of this exercise is a learning experience, to see a different way to do things and to enjoy the ride. Don't be afraid to bring in a concept based on fiction, whether it be comic books, anime, fantasy novels, anything and everything is possible.
One last point I will make, the game is primarily Renaissance based in terms of technology available, except in some regions where it's advanced to a somewhat steam-punkish feel. In other words, I'd prefer if you avoided the hugely sci-fi concepts, like tech-mages etc, but if you REALLY want to, talk to me about it and we'll see what we can do.
Also, don't hesitate to ask as many questions as you like, or to propose ideas of your own. This is a cooperative experience, each of you have something to add to the game and it's world :)
This sounds interesting, do you have any campaign goals or settings in mind or is this where we as players can do whatever we want? Any alignment restrictions?
Eric Swanson wrote: This sounds interesting, do you have any campaign goals or settings in mind or is this where we as players can do whatever we want? Any alignment restrictions? Nothing is in mind at all except the basic Renaissance overview of the world, with a few exceptions of course.
The rest of it is all up to chance. It's part of my GMing style, I plan nothing, I prepare nothing, I GM off the top of my head, evolving the world with the players.
When we start gaming, the only areas that will be established will be the hometowns of the PC's, and the area the game starts in. Everything else will build from there.
And no, there's no alignment restrictions. I don't care if your the purest most holy virgin douchebag in the land, just an average joe trying to get rich, or if you eat babies with barbeque sauce.
Just be warned there will be opposition, and things do tend to be a little harder on Evil people (especially the overtly evil ones. The subtle dirtbags aren't as bad) but that can be fun too.
This looks like it could by pretty fun, but I'm in quite a few pbps at the moment so I'll have to pass. I'm just curious though, please could you link to the debate you mentioned? I seem to have missed it.
Hey Calix.
Like I said, it might end up being a Play by Chat (or msn messenger, there's a great diceroller available for the program, infact I'm in a dark heresy game via msn messenger), or, depending on players and interest, might not happen at all.
You could make a PC for sake of the exercise, but not play him/her unless your schedule opened up, but it's no big deal if you'd rather not get involved.
Also, this is the thread, I believe this aspect of the thread (the restricted vs free roam campaign construction debate) started somewhere between page 16 and 18.
Count me in. I will be working on my character concepts tonight and post some up tomorrow after I get home from work.
Hey, Kyrt. I'm lagging behind with that fighter I should have created for your campaign. Today was orthodox Christmas so the holidays are almost over and I should have some time again for myself. Now, I have several ideas for you to consider, and one of them is Warforged. Is the race available in your game, with certain modifications?
It's good to have you Lumbo.
nightflier wrote: Hey, Kyrt. I'm lagging behind with that fighter I should have created for your campaign. Today was orthodox Christmas so the holidays are almost over and I should have some time again for myself. Now, I have several ideas for you to consider, and one of them is Warforged. Is the race available in your game, with certain modifications? I'd never actually considered warforged, since I don't own the appropriate books (eberron never really appealed to me that much, the only ones I got were a few that had content to help monks and psy warriors)
However, I see no real reason why not. Gotta warn you though, this isn't the thread for that. People are presenting their concepts here with Pathfinder as written (and splats), but after the discussion is complete, I will be offering them a chance to use my homebrew instead.
Oh, and Nightflier, sorry I never showed up for your game you've been running. I had this deep backstory worked out but the way you were bringing the new players in kind of threw off my motivation (I'd intended to be a bounty hunter pursuing the Half-Dragon and eventually find the group, figure out the guy wasn't a monster but an intelligent being who'd been abused, and join up instead, but eh, I have alot on my plate right now anyway.) Besides, if I remember right, you had a ton of players set up.
Kurt, how about a pseudo dragon? or do you want humanoid creatures only. If so how about a doppleganger?
kyrt-ryder wrote:
Oh, and Nightflier, sorry I never showed up for your game you've been running. I had this deep backstory worked out but the way you were bringing the new players in kind of threw off my motivation (I'd intended to be a bounty hunter pursuing the Half-Dragon and eventually find the group, figure out the guy wasn't a monster but an intelligent being who'd been abused, and join up instead, but eh, I have alot on my plate right now anyway.) Besides, if I remember right, you had a ton of players set up.
Well Lureene missed you lol!
Eric Swanson wrote: Kurt, how about a pseudo dragon? or do you want humanoid creatures only. If so how about a doppleganger?
kyrt-ryder wrote:
Oh, and Nightflier, sorry I never showed up for your game you've been running. I had this deep backstory worked out but the way you were bringing the new players in kind of threw off my motivation (I'd intended to be a bounty hunter pursuing the Half-Dragon and eventually find the group, figure out the guy wasn't a monster but an intelligent being who'd been abused, and join up instead, but eh, I have alot on my plate right now anyway.) Besides, if I remember right, you had a ton of players set up.
Well Lureene missed you lol!
Pseudo dragon is human-esque enough, so long as it can communicate and function fairly well (get through doors reliably, stuff like that.)
I think a doppleganger's CR is too high, but if there's a racial progression available you could use it (Or just play a Changeling lol)
No big deal. I have a lot of players, but there's always room for one more. If you decide to join the game, you are welcome. So, no warforged... to bad. I had an great idea about warforged fighter and inteligent docent. What did you have in mind considering races? Is thri-kreen available as player race? I'm thinking about ranger or some kind of modified fighter (limited armor, more skills).
Edit: XPH
nightflier wrote: No big deal. I have a lot of players, but there's always room for one more. If you decide to join the game, you are welcome. So, no warforged... to bad. I had an great idea about warforged fighter and inteligent docent. What did you have in mind considering races? Is thri-kreen available as player race? I'm thinking about ranger or some kind of modified fighter (limited armor, more skills). Oh, for this game right here any race is fine, you'd just need to lay out it's statistics for me (I feel too lazy to google them)
For the other one I just didn't consider warforged, but if you want it, then it's cool.
Thri-kreen is available, I'll have to look up the Pathfinder version for it's specs real quick. (and if I'm misplacing it and it's in one of the psionic books then I'll just have to track that down lol)
Alright, I just read through the Thri-Kreen in the ExPH, looks like you'll start out with one level, and then you'll gain one extra level on the party at some point, so you have an effective LA of 1 then.
Also, now that I think about it, each Level Adjustment you guys eat is a going to be an empty hit die.
1d4+con modifier HP, and they have a 1/2 BAB value, and 1/2 progression to all saves and you gain 0+int modifier (minimum 1) skill points for those levels. When you get to trade them in they simply become PC levels.
The example Thri-Keen would gain +1 BAB, 2d4+(2*con) hp, and +1 to all saves. (Yes I realize that the saves are actually pretty decent, but eh, most people would prefer class features pretty strongly.)
I don't think there is PFRPG thri kreen. They are WotC IP. If you have Monster Manual 1, I think they are in there somewhere.
nightflier wrote: I don't think there is PFRPG thri kreen. They are WotC IP. If you have Monster Manual 1, I think they are in there somewhere. That explains why they weren't in the SRD. I'll pop it open and look, but I'd be willing to bet money my earlier analasys holds.
Dang you kyrt! Why do you have to make all your games so enticing?
Celestial Half-Porc wrote: Dang you kyrt! Why do you have to make all your games so enticing? It's magic.
The interesting thing though, is if these people end up playing the same rules as you guys, then they'll be in the same game, just on a different plane.
It's entirely possible all of you could end up interacting lol.
(that is, of course, assuming they chose that ruleset. They have every right to opt for PF, but because this thread is tied to a debate, the initial discussion needs to be PF, rather than Kyrt's PF Revisions)
By all means though Porcy, if your interested your more than permitted to make a PC. You don't have to play it if it pans out that you can't.
In terms of the game, as long as the two are roleplayed independently and react accordingly if they ever interact (no automatic buddy buddying, no unrealistic trades or favors, etc etc) it's no big deal.
kyrt-ryder wrote:
Pseudo dragon is human-esque enough, so long as it can communicate and function fairly well (get through doors reliably, stuff like that.)
I think a doppleganger's CR is too high, but if there's a racial progression available you could use it (Or just play a Changeling lol)
Actually a pseudodragon will work fine for me. According to the PFSRD they are CR 1 so I would get 2 class levels to select correct? They do have 2 racial HD as well, so you may want to treat him as LA +2, then I would select just one class level.
If anything, one of them will kill the other ;)
Heh, that would be humorous Porcy, making one a dragonspawn and see who wins lmao.
Eric Swanson wrote: kyrt-ryder wrote:
Pseudo dragon is human-esque enough, so long as it can communicate and function fairly well (get through doors reliably, stuff like that.)
I think a doppleganger's CR is too high, but if there's a racial progression available you could use it (Or just play a Changeling lol)
Actually a pseudodragon will work fine for me. According to the PFSRD they are CR 1 so I would get 2 class levels to select correct? They do have 2 racial HD as well, so you may want to treat him as LA +2, then I would select just one class level. Hmmm, let me think. What kind of racial hit dice does the pseudodragon have? If their dragon then yeah.
Infact... lets just do that. It's got dragon HD whether or not it would normally, and you have one class level.
kyrt-ryder wrote: I think a doppleganger's CR is too high, but if there's a racial progression available you could use it (Or just play a Changeling lol) Doppleganger is in Savage Species I think, so we can wait on that discussion, he he.
EDIT Ok one class level it is then, I think that is the way I would be doing it.
I'm gonna look at the bestiary and see what craziness i can conjure up :)
Celestial Half-Porc wrote: I'm gonna look at the bestiary and see what craziness i can conjure up :) You need the bestiary for that? I thought that came from your own mind ;)
ok, it's more of an aid than a necessity.
kyrt-ryder wrote: I'd never actually considered warforged, since I don't own the appropriate books (eberron never really appealed to me that much, the only ones I got were a few that had content to help monks and psy warriors) A shame. Eberron is filled with more win per capita than... um... something with a lot of win and not a lot of capitas.
Hm... decisions, decisions. I do like the idea of reincarnation. Or even Reincarnation.
Oh! Oh! Totally crazy, but... ancient mighty nigh god-level dragon, brought back from the dead... and into the body of a puny ickle kobold. :P A bit silly, even by my standards. For the mechanics, I don't usually consider VDK, but I'd be slapping it on some lower-end classes anyways. Either Dragonfire Adept [Dragon Magic] (for which Kobold isn't a particularly good choice, but rather flavorful here) or the more flexible Warmage [Complete Arcane] (with the various flavors of 'splodey being dragony breath), since venerable with 16 base wisdom makes Arcane Disciple considerably more attractive.
The Conqueror is so much more interesting when he/she's ickle.
Other ideas forthcoming. When I feel like it. :P
Viletta Vadim wrote: kyrt-ryder wrote: I'd never actually considered warforged, since I don't own the appropriate books (eberron never really appealed to me that much, the only ones I got were a few that had content to help monks and psy warriors) A shame. Eberron is filled with more win per capita than... um... something with a lot of win and not a lot of capitas.
Hm... decisions, decisions. I do like the idea of reincarnation. Or even Reincarnation.
Oh! Oh! Totally crazy, but... ancient mighty nigh god-level dragon, brought back from the dead... and into the body of a puny ickle kobold. :P A bit silly, even by my standards. For the mechanics, I don't usually consider VDK, but I'd be slapping it on some lower-end classes anyways. Either Dragonfire Adept [Dragon Magic] (for which Kobold isn't a particularly good choice, but rather flavorful here) or the more flexible Warmage [Complete Arcane] (with the various flavors of 'splodey being dragony breath), since venerable with 16 base wisdom makes Arcane Disciple considerably more attractive.
The Conqueror is so much more interesting when he/she's ickle.
Other ideas forthcoming. When I feel like it. :P Remind me what VDK is? I can't think of anything that matches those.
Also, for the dragonfire adept option, feel free to go with the desert Kobold to get rid of the con penalty. Heck, I wouldn't mind dragonborn, it's a bit odd thematically, but as a former gold dragon he would most likely be good.
Anyways, have fun with it. Yes Dragonwrought is allowed (only because I despise the sorcerer spell level progression, if we were running my home campaign dragonwrought wouldn't be available or needed.)
VDK is venerable dragonwrought kobold. It's when you take advantage of dragonwrought kobolds' lack of aging penalties to accrue the +3 to mental stats for being venerable without... well... aging penalties. (There's also some other cheese, like qualifying for sovereign archetypes, epic feats, and dragon-only feats, but I'm not going to bother with that.)
Dragonborn doesn't really work for me; I'm thinking lawful/evil, with dreams of conquest. Desert kobold also really doesn't do anything for me this time, since I need my wisdom for Arcane Disciple.
By the way, what's the position on traits/flaws? And how flexible are you willing to be with which Arcane Disciple feats I can take? Do I have to pick a deity and stick to it, or can I just go for what's handy/appropriate?
Viletta Vadim wrote: VDK is venerable dragonwrought kobold. It's when you take advantage of dragonwrought kobolds' lack of aging penalties to accrue the +3 to mental stats for being venerable without... well... aging penalties. (There's also some other cheese, like qualifying for sovereign archetypes, epic feats, and dragon-only feats, but I'm not going to bother with that.)
Dragonborn doesn't really work for me; I'm thinking lawful/evil, with dreams of conquest. Desert kobold also really doesn't do anything for me this time, since I need my wisdom for Arcane Disciple.
By the way, what's the position on traits/flaws? And how flexible are you willing to be with which Arcane Disciple feats I can take? Do I have to pick a deity and stick to it, or can I just go for what's handy/appropriate?
Do you need a friendly sidekick, he he?
Viletta Vadim wrote: VDK is venerable dragonwrought kobold. It's when you take advantage of dragonwrought kobolds' lack of aging penalties to accrue the +3 to mental stats for being venerable without... well... aging penalties. (There's also some other cheese, like qualifying for sovereign archetypes, epic feats, and dragon-only feats, but I'm not going to bother with that.)
Dragonborn doesn't really work for me; I'm thinking lawful/evil, with dreams of conquest. Desert kobold also really doesn't do anything for me this time, since I need my wisdom for Arcane Disciple.
By the way, what's the position on traits/flaws? And how flexible are you willing to be with which Arcane Disciple feats I can take? Do I have to pick a deity and stick to it, or can I just go for what's handy/appropriate?
Ah, so even though I didn't recognize the abbreviation I was on the right track, good.
Yeah, I wouldn't have approved of the sovereign archtypes (especially not loredrake) or the epic feats, though I've got no problem with you taking Dragon feats.
(Speaking of epic feats, if you guys know any that you want for your concept run them by me, 'most' of them aren't worth the epic restriction anyway.)
On traits/flaws I'm thinking for simplicity I'm not going to use them, though if somebody is really into them I would be open to considering traits (I tend to like the Golarion trait concept a bit better, but I'm flexible)
And um.. I was suggesting Desert because you were considering Dragonfire Adept.
Anyways, since you've got your heart set on Warmage, the answer to Arcane Disciple is that I don't care, so long as you don't take any alignment ones that don't apply (as though that matterred, most of the alignment domains are rather... inelegant.) One other thing would be to avoid any that are opposed thematically (Such as, for a random example that I'm not even sure exists, Courage and Cowardice.)
One last thing that might intrigue you.
Warmages are Intelligence based casters now.
Hm... I may prefer shifting edge over to charisma than casting to intelligence, simply because I like the big charisma route, but it works either way.
Oh, have you considered the cascading edge houserule for Warmages? Instead of just adding intelligence (or charisma), it's intelligence (or charisma) times spell level. So +5 Int on a 9th-level spell adds a somewhat meaningful +45 instead of just +5.
Shame about no flaws. I'm gonna be pretty feat-strapped, since I'm using Arcane Disciple to make my list stop sucking. I'll have to see what PrCs are worth not taking Arcane Disciple. (Hint: It'll be one that adds spells. :P)
Eric Swanson wrote: Do you need a friendly sidekick, he he? Did I mention I had a cult before the reincarnation? :P *Would totally dig a minion... er... 'companion.'* You could even be my high priest. :D
Hmmm, I hadn't really thought of shifting edge to charisma because of the whole baseline of the class, but there's no real mechanical reason not to. (Heck, I'd wager 9 times out of 10 the int would be the better choice for skill points) Sure keep the cha.
As for the cascading bonus, that's a pretty big houserule change. I know blasting's pretty weak and doubt that would make a huge change overall I'd rather keep changes fairly minor.
Hmmm.... (1+level / 2)*bonus sounds reasonable. AKA 3rd level spells (ie the infamous fireball, lightning bolt, etc) would deal 2* the bonus.
OH, That's right.
Speaking of spell levels, there is no heighten spell feat. A spell cast in a higher level is that higher level for all purposes. This does include metamagic (which has good and bad effects... but I prefer it to avoid those weird cases where you can pearl of power back a quickened truestrike with a 1st level pearl of power for example)
Viletta Vadim wrote: Did I mention I had a cult before the reincarnation? :P *Would totally dig a minion... er... 'companion.'* You could even be my high priest. :D LOL, wellll, I could be a priest, he he, but I would be a pseudodragon, so I would look pretty silly...On the other hand, it might work...he he...a pseuodragon cleric...hmmmm...
Kyrt: I can work with that.
I'm still gonna go for a decent intelligence anyways (and get a +3 from VDK anyways). And if the game gets off the ground, I'm probably gonna pick up the Unseen Seer PrC when I can. Just gotta make sure I get the divinations. What would happen to the skill requirements in PF? Just subtract four?
Eric: Oh, being a priest doesn't have mean Cleric. Loosening up on such restrictions is part of the point of the game. You could be a Barbarian if you really wanted and still have the title of high priest. Have you considered being a pseudodragon Ninja [Complete Adventurer]? :P
In other news, why am I picturing a considerably scalier version of Pinky and the Brain?
Hey guys, I've been debating a couple character ideas...
One of my first thoughts was for an Imp former familiar. I was debating which wizard I wanted, but I could totally go evil cleric trying to convert a kobold tribe sacrifice their souls to the pit and run rampant. Or I could be a blighter (evil druid). Imp with a Velociraptor pet, mmmuah ha ha. Heck, I could even be YOUR former familiar :)
Imps are CR2 with 3 HD. Kyrt, would you want to run it as 2 or 3 ECL?
Viletta Vadim wrote:
In other news, why am I picturing a considerably scalier version of Pinky and the Brain?
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?"
"Yeah Brain, but where are we going to find that many cows?"
And yeah VV, 3.5 classes skill requirements have 3 subtracted from them in PF.
Caineach wrote: Hey guys, I've been debating a couple character ideas...
One of my first thoughts was for an Imp former familiar. I was debating which wizard I wanted, but I could totally go evil cleric trying to convert a kobold tribe sacrifice their souls to the pit and run rampant. Or I could be a blighter (evil druid). Imp with a Velociraptor pet, mmmuah ha ha. Heck, I could even be YOUR former familiar :)
Imps are CR2 with 3 HD. Kyrt, would you want to run it as 2 or 3 ECL?
Hmmm, their outsider HD, which are pretty good.... you'll start play as a base imp (with custom stats and feat choices of course) and eventually pick up one free level.
(obviously all these rulings I'm making on races are under examination. If it turns out you need another level beyond that you'll get it. I tend to go conservative on these choices so the odds of a PC getting nerfed are slim.)
Once you guys get your characters worked out we'll set up where you come from, your home locations, etc.
Nobody is going to know where the game will start until it starts, at which point it will simply begin wherever it does. (I'm going in blind too, just so you know)
However, your PC's goals and purposes and intentions certainly can influence the starting locations.
Viletta Vadim wrote: Eric: Oh, being a priest doesn't have mean Cleric. Loosening up on such restrictions is part of the point of the game. You could be a Barbarian if you really wanted and still have the title of high priest. Have you considered being a pseudodragon Ninja [Complete Adventurer]? :P man so many ideas, only one class to choose. Ninja would be fun, I also like the Spellthief, and there is also a conversion for it from Smilodan.
Viletta Vadim wrote: In other news, why am I picturing a considerably scalier version of Pinky and the Brain? Hey, what are we goona do today?
Eric Swanson wrote:
Viletta Vadim wrote: In other news, why am I picturing a considerably scalier version of Pinky and the Brain? Hey, what are we goona do today?
Right, except people who choose to start knowing eachother. They are most likely going to start in the same area regardless, though it's not 100% guaranteed. (Example the humble priest of the Conqueror could be out on a diplomatic envoy or something)
I take it we're free to make up our regions of origin.
Caineach wrote: One of my first thoughts was for an Imp former familiar. I was debating which wizard I wanted, but I could totally go evil cleric trying to convert a kobold tribe sacrifice their souls to the pit and run rampant. Or I could be a blighter (evil druid). Imp with a Velociraptor pet, mmmuah ha ha. Heck, I could even be YOUR former familiar :) I've always been fond of imps with imp familiars. Preferably family or SOs... though we're a bit low for Improved Familiar to pick up an imp, aren't we?
Eric Swanson wrote: man so many ideas, only one class to choose. Ninja would be fun, I also like the Spellthief, and there is also a conversion for it from Smilodan. Spellthief's such a cool class, but so borked in execution. But the mechanics do give the option of my reincarnated dragon god thing blessing his/her high priest with his/her might, by voluntarily allowing spell theft.
Eric Swanson wrote: Hey, what are we goona do today? Get wasted, dream big, and pass out on the couch.
Er... I mean... same thing we do every night yet unnamed pseudodragon minion. Try to take over the world!
Viletta Vadim wrote: I take it we're free to make up our regions of origin.
Er... I mean... same thing we do every night yet unnamed pseudodragon minion. Try to take over the world!
Step 1: regions of origon. Yes, I'm part of that process, we'll figure it out together. I prefer to keep the region detailed small, one town/city and the surrounding countryside or so. (Your PC can know more of the area, and that will pan out in play, but there's more creative freedom for GMing when less is pre-established.)
As for taking over the world... that's an option. Good luck kid, you'll need it.
Viletta Vadim wrote: Spellthief's such a cool class, but so borked in execution. But the mechanics do give the option of my reincarnated dragon god thing blessing his/her high priest with his/her might, by voluntarily allowing spell theft.
Eric Swanson wrote: Hey, what are we goona do today? Get wasted, dream big, and pass out on the couch.
Er... I mean... same thing we do every night yet unnamed pseudodragon minion. Try to take over the world!
I like it, so maybe I will multiclass and do both, he he. I will be your loyal sidekick, and since everyone thinks I'm good, the possibility of wreaking havoc are endless!
Haven't come up with a name yet but Pinky is a great nickname!
Bien, bien. I'm thinking Galdrix the Conqueror, former emperor of an arbitrary, yet-to-be-defined, preferably large area, has been something of a vagabond since being reborn, though.
Also, apparently Classic Monsters Revisited added some new Kobold options. Mind if I take either blue kobold or white kobold (sans breath), with their +1 mental stat stacking?
Viletta Vadim wrote: Bien, bien. I'm thinking Galdrix the Conqueror, former emperor of an arbitrary, yet-to-be-defined, preferably large area, has been something of a vagabond since being reborn, though.
Also, apparently Classic Monsters Revisited added some new Kobold options. Mind if I take either blue kobold or white kobold (sans breath), with their +1 mental stat stacking?
Eh why not call me Pinky, since my draconic name is much too difficult to pronounce even by true dragons, so to think a mere kobold could...errr... he he just kiddin' boss.
BTW I'll do Ninja for 1st level , and then multiclass to spell thief, how is that?
Eh, you'd probably be better off picking one and sticking with it. Multiclassing would probably be a bad idea. If I had to pick? It'd probably be ninja.
Viletta Vadim wrote: Bien, bien. I'm thinking Galdrix the Conqueror, former emperor of an arbitrary, yet-to-be-defined, preferably large area, has been something of a vagabond since being reborn, though.
Also, apparently Classic Monsters Revisited added some new Kobold options. Mind if I take either blue kobold or white kobold (sans breath), with their +1 mental stat stacking?
Hmmm, Red would be better, given your origin as a gold dragon (by all means feel free to make the red one look gold), but I can see blue working as well.
Also, a note. I just saw the Dragonbreaths, and if you like it I wouldn't be opposed to revising it, either to be strong enough to be a legitimate feat option, or maybe an inherant (burn a spell slot to achieve this effect) type ability, or to be strong enough to be a level adjustment, if you like.
Viletta Vadim wrote: Eh, you'd probably be better off picking one and sticking with it. Multiclassing would probably be a bad idea. If I had to pick? It'd probably be ninja. Yeah multiclassing is pretty bad, but the classes are pretty close in abilities, so I figured i could get away with it, have to see how Kurt will handle the ninja class, spellthief has a conversion for PF already.
Viletta Vadim wrote: Eh, you'd probably be better off picking one and sticking with it. Multiclassing would probably be a bad idea. If I had to pick? It'd probably be ninja. Right. Monks and Ninjas gain Ki pools equal to their level + (2*wisdom bonus) per day. Extra Ki feat grants an additional+4 or + wisdom bonus, whichever is greater.
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