Sometimes I think Paizo should have the EnWorld policy of no politics or religion on their messageboards. But then, I also have to admit that I find that EnWorld policy to be stifling and Draconian and I applaud Paizo for their bravery and open-mindedness. So it will ever be a warzone for politics!But you can always avoid the political threads I suppose. I certainly try (and fail) to avoid them daily myself.
No disrepect to EnWorld, but I find their policy to be stifling and Draconian, to quote you. There's a price to pay, but I'd rather hear the opposing sides of views ... even if they are wrong and full of fail. :P
Registered Democrat, devout (pun intended) Al Gore fan. On the more political blogs I will often put 'Fred Phelps (D-Hell)' because I hold him in contempt. He's claimed by the left about as much as David Duke and Pat Buchannan are by the right, but there he sits. A pimple on the left butt cheek of humanity.
Actually, he hates Gore, sees him as a traitor to the anti-gay cause. He's registered as a Dem because it gets a rise out of Democrats. Most Kansas Republicans wouldn't care if Phred registered as an R. After all, we are the state the repeated elected Phil Kline and Sam Brownback to state and national office.
People who don't think exactly as I do are idiots and not worthy breathe the same airAgreed!
Out of context quoting FTW!
Edit: Sweet. It's even on the next page, which will make it even harder to see the full context.
And that's why everyone loves Sebastian. ;-)
As a former conservative myself, I find that conservatives are just a little louder and more brazen about voicing their opinions. Liberals tend to be a little softer.
I believe the opposite to be true. I guess it really depends on your point of view.
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I truely love when the tolerance preaching left get on a roll and post things so sexist and hateful as this. Thinking Sarah Palin can be more than a brownie baking housewife is a 'fringe' view? Really? I bet you think she said she could see Russia from her back yard and believe that she called Santa a socialist. Don't ya?
Sorry, if it smells like poop and looks like poop....
Palin had her chance to stop the racists and haters at her rallies that were preaching violence against then-candidate Obama. She didn't. She proved her lack of mettle in multiple interviews. She is a pop culture phenomenon at best, a fad at worst. She brought the "sexist" family-rearing comparisons upon herself when she USED her kids as tools in the election. It's what she wants credit for, so I am giving it to her.
And she did actually make the Russia comment before the Fey skit.
Don't ya?
Cute.
As a conservative, I believe that government just needs to get out of the marriage buisness. It is the only way that the First and Fourteenth ammendments can be fully satisfied. However, if there has to be a law, I would like to see a law like DC just passed. I believe that outside of broad guidelines the government should not be telling teachers what to teach at all. It has gotten so bad that in some districts in Utah, teachers have to have their lesson plans preapproved to ensure that they don't teach anything that could get them in trouble. I also believe that compassion is not measured by how many people a government program can help, but by how many people we help to not need them anymore. If you want I can go on.No need, I agree with everything you have just said.
As do I. Please show me which party I can vote for to make these things happen, 'cause I don't see one anywhere.
*Sigh* never any Libertarian love.....just liberals and conservatives....
*Sigh* never any Libertarian love.....just liberals and conservatives....
SHUT UP DIRTY LIBERTARIAN!
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Well I don't see why religion must always be excluded from politics (not counting the religious test clause in the constitution.) If I have a set of religious beliefs (I do) why am I suddenly evil if I associate and lobby with those who share my beliefs and want laws to make sure those beliefs aren't infringed on? I don't mean "The state should force everyone to close on sundays (blue laws)" I mean "I should not be forced to work on sundays."
Now that freedom of association can get ugly taken to its extreme. I lived in an apartment complex that was mandated to be dry in the lease agreements (run by Mormons, if you're curious). I didn't have a problem with that. But what if someone wanted to move in who's religion required a beer at home every night? In Matt's America, he can mvoe elsewhere. If he can't find living arrangements to allow him that beer, then he can try to start his own apartment complex. Yes, taken to its logical extreme the Mormons above could decline to rent to a gay couple, or to a mixed marriage couple. But it's their land. If I have a mixed couple apply at Matt's apartment complex, and their credit checks out, I'm more than happy to let them in. That discriminating complex just gave me business. So the issue becomes, where do you draw the line?
Same thing for 'gay marriage'. Over on my Facebook, I posted an essay I originally put in the comments section on Gay Patriot, arguing from a conservative POV why an institution recognizing same sex partnerships ahould be created. I've also argued that no one has a 'right' to a government recognized marriage, any more than you have a 'right' to a Driver's license. In both cases the privilege of being recognized by the state is granted for meeting certain requirements. Someone born blind can't get a driver's license, nor can someone who has lost their vision later in life. I am all for an institution (my bad marriages aside, everyone should have a shot at it) created legislatively. Just don't go changing the accepted meaning of Marriage. Call it 'Fred'
Now that being said, I voted for the current ban on SSM in Ohio. I voted for it because I saw it as a needed damper on judicial abuse, and the biggest arguement (that it would invalidate all contracts) didn't happen with the Defence of Marriage Act in Ohio, which had the exact same language. Also I know that the constitution of Ohio is extremely easy (like California easy) to ammend. When Society is ready to handle the subject in the correct (read, legislative or referrendum) way, I'll cheer the day. Right now I'll sign a petition to allow the legislation to craft such a thing today, and vote for it when on the ballot. That may not make sense to some people, but it does to me, and to several of my gay friends who know me.
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*decides to set off the minefield*
Well I don't see why religion must always be excluded from politics (not counting the religious test clause in the constitution.) If I have a set of religious beliefs (I do) why am I suddenly evil if I associate and lobby with those who share my beliefs and want laws to make sure those beliefs aren't infringed on? I don't mean "The state should force everyone to close on sundays (blue laws)" I mean "I should not be forced to work on sundays."
Now that freedom of association can get ugly taken to its extreme. I lived in an apartment complex that was mandated to be dry in the lease agreements (run by Mormons, if you're curious). I didn't have a problem with that. But what if someone wanted to move in who's religion required a beer at home every night? In Matt's America, he can mvoe elsewhere. If he can't find living arrangements to allow him that beer, then he can try to start his own apartment complex. Yes, taken to its logical extreme the Mormons above could decline to rent to a gay couple, or to a mixed marriage couple. But it's their land. If I have a mixed couple apply at Matt's apartment complex, and their credit checks out, I'm more than happy to let them in. That discriminating complex just gave me business. So the issue becomes, where do you draw the line?
Same thing for 'gay marriage'. Over on my Facebook, I posted an essay I originally put in the comments section on Gay Patriot, arguing from a conservative POV why an institution recognizing same sex partnerships ahould be created. I've also argued that no one has a 'right' to a government recognized marriage, any more than you have a 'right' to a Driver's license. In both cases the privilege of being recognized by the state is granted for meeting certain requirements. Someone born blind can't get a driver's license, nor can someone who has lost their vision later in life. I am all for an institution (my bad marriages aside, everyone should have a shot at it) created legislatively. Just don't go changing the accepted meaning of Marriage. Call it 'Fred'
Now that being said, I voted for the current ban on SSM in Ohio. I voted for it because I saw it as a needed damper on judicial abuse, and the biggest arguement (that it would invalidate all contracts) didn't happen with the Defence of Marriage Act in Ohio, which had the exact same language. Also I know that the constitution of Ohio is extremely easy (like California easy) to ammend. When Society is ready to handle the subject in the correct (read, legislative or referrendum) way, I'll cheer the day. Right now I'll sign a petition to allow the legislation to craft such a thing today, and vote for it when on the ballot. That may not make sense to some people, but it does to me, and to several of my gay friends who know me.
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People who don't think exactly as I do are idiots and not worthy breathe the same air I do is an asinine and pigheaded way to think. And those (On all sides) who do, really need to get over themselves.
Out of respect for Wolf, I'll reprint the entire quote here.
I never said the above as you are insinuating. What I am saying is that a person shouldn't use a common interest in gaming as their primary reason to be friends or associate with a person. You need to look at that person's values. I don't want to be friends with someone who thinks torture is EVER okay. Period. It doesn't matter if that person is an awesome DM or has the most kills in the Titan raid. Hey, it's a free country and you are allowed to believe whatever you want. It doesn't mean I am compelled to sing campfire songs with you as you espouse ideology that I find hateful and repugnant to mine.
And I'm sorry, but people that torture animals, rape children or commit other atrocities ARE not worthy of the air that I breathe. Does that make me a pigheaded elitist or a rational human being? (Note that I am NOT lumping pro-torture advocates in with pedophiles or the like.) However, I don't want to be friends with folks that believe that security interests trump human rights. If Wolf thinks that makes me asinine or pigheaded, so be it. I'm not willing to sacrifice my values for friendship with ANYONE. And I wonder about anyone that would be.
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Palin had her chance to stop the racists and haters at her rallies that were preaching violence against then-candidate Obama. She didn't. She proved her lack of mettle in multiple interviews. She is a pop culture phenomenon at best, a fad at worst. She brought the "sexist" family-rearing comparisons upon herself when she USED her kids as tools in the election. It's what she wants credit for, so I am giving it to her.
And she did actually make the Russia comment before the Fey skit.
Cute.
Soruce please? I mean besides the one reporter who says he heard something threatening and no one could back him up.
Also source for the quote prior to the Fey skit.
Personally my favourite 'racist' Obama comment was that he was a clean and articulate black man.
Also I find the thread amusing. Have you looked at Wolfgang's blog, or Sean's? They're both at most centre left, not right.
People who don't think exactly as I do are idiots and not worthy breathe the same air I do is an asinine and pigheaded way to think. And those (On all sides) who do, really need to get over themselves.Out of respect for Wolf, I'll reprint the entire quote here.
I never said the above as you are insinuating. What I am saying is that a person shouldn't use a common interest in gaming as their primary reason to be friends or associate with a person. You need to look at that person's values. I don't want to be friends with someone who thinks torture is EVER okay. Period. It doesn't matter if that person is an awesome DM or has the most kills in the Titan raid. Hey, it's a free country and you are allowed to believe whatever you want. It doesn't mean I am compelled to sing campfire songs with you as you espouse ideology that I find hateful and repugnant to mine.
And I'm sorry, but people that torture animals, rape children or commit other atrocities ARE not worthy of the air that I breathe. Does that make me a pigheaded elitist or a rational human being? (Note that I am NOT lumping pro-torture advocates in with pedophiles or the like.) However, I don't want to be friends with folks that believe that security interests trump human rights. If Wolf thinks that makes me asinine or pigheaded, so be it. I'm not willing to sacrifice my values for friendship with ANYONE. And I wonder about anyone that would be.
That's all well and good, but I actually skipped over that post and wasn't replying to it in any way. My reply was directed precisely at the post which I did quote.
I am a great shot. I don't miss liberals.
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You owe me a soda dammit.
Personally my favourite 'racist' Obama comment was that he was a clean and articulate black man.
The not so subtle implication here is that he is the exception rather than the rule.
So if I get called a racist for believing that most whites have a generally negative view of black men in the US, it's fair enough for someone to view the "clean and articulate black man" comment as somewhat racist as well.
BTW, I identify more as a liberal than a conservative. I do wish the Democratic party had more of that "I DONT GIVE A F**K" mentality and organization that the Republicans have. That's the one thing I do admire about them, you do see them turn against each other OCCASIONALLY, but for the most part they stick together and tow the party line no matter what.
While some may find that disgusting (and at times I do too) there's also much to admire there as well.
About the only thing that I could be called conservative about is crime.I grew up in the 5 boros and occasionally hung out with some real thugs. It was my responsibility to make choices that kept myself out of trouble and I realized that small enclosed spaces and the prospect of ass-rape was not for me. My issue is that I'm not a big fan of the death penalty. It's not because I dont think that there are some people that need to get got, but because I have a problem with maybe putting the wrong person to death for a crime that they didn't commit. Conservatives seem to be fine with this, especially if the the individual is black or brown, there's that level of detachment. But if you're going to put a needle in someones arm, make sure that you've got the right d00d. God forbid that DNA evidence turns up or some half assed witness admits making a mistake and you've executed the wrong guy.
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I am a great shot. I don't miss liberals.
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Incoming ex-wife story!
My first ex and her family were very conservative (abusive but conservative) except for the eldest daughter who was a dyed in the wool liberal. When we were dating her dad had a heart attack. While waiting in the hosptial, my not-yet-wife and I were stuck in the operating room with a kid who was crying because his brother was there with a broken arm, and the kid was convinced it was all his fault.
Well his crying is upsetting my-not-yet-wife so I go over to calm him down. Enter the sister.
She comes in with her husband, freaking out and hasn't met me, but knows who I am. She sees her sister sitting alone, with her boyfriend playing with a young boy talking comic books. I get up and walk over to fill her in on what we knew...
...And she sees the button on my coat "If guns are outlawed, how are we going to shoot the liberals?"
I'll take "How to make a bad impression for 1000, Alex."
Palin had her chance to stop the racists and haters at her rallies that were preaching violence against then-candidate Obama. She didn't. She proved her lack of mettle in multiple interviews. She is a pop culture phenomenon at best, a fad at worst. She brought the "sexist" family-rearing comparisons upon herself when she USED her kids as tools in the election. It's what she wants credit for, so I am giving it to her.
And she did actually make the Russia comment before the Fey skit.
Cute.
Soruce please? I mean besides the one reporter who says he heard something threatening and no one could back him up.
Also source for the quote prior to the Fey skit.
Personally my favourite 'racist' Obama comment was that he was a clean and articulate black man.
Also I find the thread amusing. Have you looked at Wolfgang's blog, or Sean's? They're both at most centre left, not right.
What she said, in an interview with Charlie Gibson, is: "They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." And this is in fact a true statment. You actually can see Russia from Alaska. Not that this was a particularly strong argument for her foreign policy experience. , but it IS true.
She NEVER said she could see Russia form Wassila, which by the way is a distance of some 800 miles.
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The not so subtle implication here is that he is the exception rather than the rule.Personally my favourite 'racist' Obama comment was that he was a clean and articulate black man.
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Which most people thought that's what Senator Joe Biden was implying as well.
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People who don't think exactly as I do are idiots and not worthy breathe the same air I do is an asinine and pigheaded way to think. And those (On all sides) who do, really need to get over themselves.Out of respect for Wolf, I'll reprint the entire quote here.
Are you sure you want to do that? He may have a different view from you on what constitutes torture or when the use of such techniques are justified. I'd hate to see you compromise your principles to show respect to someone so potentially unworthy.
I'm fairly confident of Wolfthulhu's abilities to read between the lines, but just in case:
The above isn't meant to put any words in your mouth, and I hope you don't take it as such. Thanks for the out of context fun upthread.
I am a great shot. I don't miss liberals.
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Incoming ex-wife story!
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OUCH.
Funny, but OUCH.
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What she said, in an interview with Charlie Gibson, is: "They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." And this is in fact a true statment. You actually can see Russia from Alaska. Not that this was a particularly strong argument for her foreign policy experience. , but it IS true.
She NEVER said she could see Russia form Wassila, which by the way is a distance of some 800 miles.
*nods* I knew that. Also thought it was funny on one of the Deadliest Catch stories, I think it was Phil who talked about accidently drifting into Russian waters. "We see a fishing boat, with no nets and realize were in deep ---- even before the radio starts yelling in Russian."
The not so subtle implication here is that he is the exception rather than the rule.Personally my favourite 'racist' Obama comment was that he was a clean and articulate black man.
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Which most people thought that's what Senator Joe Biden was implying as well.
Yeah, agreed. I just wanted to be clear on how people could find that offensive. I got tired of hearing "oh but you're soooo articulate" or "you're so we'll spoken" or any variation there of for 25+ years.
I think I honestly would have been less offended by someone just coming out and saying "wow, youre not like the other darkies I know". I mean, I would have still been offended but there's a certain amount of solace in knowing that the person is in fact a racist tool than wondering if the person IS a racist tool or making a well intentioned faux pas.
Personally my favourite 'racist' Obama comment was that he was a clean and articulate black man.
Joe Biden/2008
Joe's a Liberal right?
Personally my favourite 'racist' Obama comment was that he was a clean and articulate black man.
The not so subtle implication here is that he is the exception rather than the rule.
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Which most people thought that's what Senator Joe Biden was implying as well.
Yeah, agreed. I just wanted to be clear on how people could find that offensive. I got tired of hearing "oh but you're soooo articulate" or "you're so we'll spoken" or any variation there of for 25+ years.
I think I honestly would have been less offended by someone just coming out and saying "wow, youre not like the other darkies I know". I mean, I would have still been offended but there's a certain amount of solace in knowing that the person is in fact a racist tool than wondering if the person IS a racist tool or making a well intentioned faux pas.
Not having the pleasure of knowing you, I have to ask, Is it possible that you misunderstood the statements? Perhaps you are more articulate than your average Joe of any color? I'm sure the context likely made it clear, but you never know.
Gotta love Obama. Anyone who can dupe the Nobel Committee into giving them a Nobel Peace Prize for campaigning is pretty amazing. CHA definately isn't is dump stat...he's got Hitler levels of it.
Godwin has been invoked.
Gotta love Obama. Anyone who can dupe the Nobel Committee into giving them a Nobel Peace Prize for campaigning is pretty amazing. CHA definately isn't is dump stat...he's got Hitler levels of it.Godwin has been invoked.
Beat me to it.
I don't trust politicians, and align myself along the Libertarian lines.
Not having the pleasure of knowing you, I have to ask, Is it possible that you misunderstood the statements? Perhaps you are more articulate than your average Joe of any color? I'm sure the context likely made it clear, but you never know.
Honestly I dont think that I am more articulate than the average person. When I was younger I spent alot of time reading and paying attention to how words were actually pronounced but that was a result of watching a lot of movies as well. I'm a fairly decent public speaker but one of the first things I learned when doing public speaking is to speak in a "language" that your audience understands and can relate to.
Thing is, I'm not oblivious to an obvious compliment. Most of the time I'm able to tell when someone is giving me an honest one. I'm talking about the other folk who seem like theyre really surprised that words like THAT came out of the mouth of a face that looks like mine. At first you just kinda brush it off, then after a while it really gets old.
I'm a Liberal! There are some around here in the Paizo boards. Of course, I'm British, so we probably all count as far left liberals on the American political scale.
Yes, yes you do. I'm working as an English teacher in Bangkok, and my wife and I are the only American teachers at our school. Most of our friends outside of school are British as well, and even the most conservative Brits I've met shake their heads that Yanks still have to pay for health care. My dad had cancer a year or so ago, and trying to explain to our friends that he was *lucky* his insurance carrier didn't drop him was really confusing to them. The American political scale is very narrow when compared to UK & European politics. Of course, I guess it's wide when compared to parts of Asia & Africa.
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Joe's Vice-President
Personally my favourite 'racist' Obama comment was that he was a clean and articulate black man.Joe Biden/2008
Joe's a Liberal right?
Just want to give credit where credit is due.
Then I guess by your own admission our Vice-President is a racist!!!
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Joe's Vice-President
Personally my favourite 'racist' Obama comment was that he was a clean and articulate black man.Joe Biden/2008
Joe's a Liberal right?
Just want to give credit where credit is due.
Then I guess by your own admission our Vice-President is a racist!!!
Wouldn't that be by his own words? I put racist in 'scare quotes' because I didn't see it as much. my bad spelling aside, I'm very pedantic about using correct English, regardless of colour or creed.
Yeah, agreed. I just wanted to be clear on how people could find that offensive. I got tired of hearing "oh but you're soooo articulate" or "you're so we'll spoken" or any variation there of for 25+ years.The not so subtle implication here is that he is the exception rather than the rule.Personally my favourite 'racist' Obama comment was that he was a clean and articulate black man.
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Which most people thought that's what Senator Joe Biden was implying as well.
A big +1 here. I actually had to explain the Justice League episode gaff to a friend of mine. Cracked me up even as it pissed me off.
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A big +1 here. I actually had to explain the Justice League episode gaff to a friend of mine. Cracked me up even as it pissed me off.
Are you talking about the 'casting' of John Stuart as GL, or the comment in 'Legends'?
Both were intentional. a) to have a 'more diverse' cast and b) to show that the time was different and the streak honestly didn't mean anything offensive. I think that's what confused John, in the cartoon. "Whoa, I should be insulted, but it wasn't really an insult..."
And I think the character benefitted from being in JL and JLU, after Martian Manhunter and Batman, he was my favourite. So he went from <Mel Brooks>"A BLACK green lantern?"</Mel Brooks> to "Guy should SO be the Green Lantern in the comics."
A big +1 here. I actually had to explain the Justice League episode gaff to a friend of mine. Cracked me up even as it pissed me off.Are you talking about the 'casting' of John Stuart as GL, or the comment in 'Legends'?
Both were intentional. a) to have a 'more diverse' cast and b) to show that the time was different and the streak honestly didn't mean anything offensive. I think that's what confused John, in the cartoon. "Whoa, I should be insulted, but it wasn't really an insult..."
And I think the character benefitted from being in JL and JLU, after Martian Manhunter and Batman, he was my favourite. So he went from <Mel Brooks>"A BLACK green lantern?"</Mel Brooks> to "Guy should SO be the Green Lantern in the comics."
I'm talking about Legends. Great episode. Note, I wasn't pissed off at the writer, or the character, just a little miffed that I had to explain the psuedo joke to my friend, who was more than a little obtuse.
I'm a big GL fan as well. No matter how much we may disagree on politics, at least we share this. And Pathfinder, of course. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on what they did with John in the most recent issue of GL actually. I'm more than a little disappointed with how he was portrayed, along with his feelings on what happened on the planet he destroyed.
Yeah, agreed. I just wanted to be clear on how people could find that offensive. I got tired of hearing "oh but you're soooo articulate" or "you're so we'll spoken" or any variation there of for 25+ years.A big +1 here. I actually had to explain the Justice League episode gaff to a friend of mine. Cracked me up even as it pissed me off.
Which JL episode gaff? Was it the one where they visit the "Justice Guild of America" and the streak turns to John Stewart and tells him "youre a credit to your race" ?
I actually LIKED that. It acknowledged that they were in a different time and that someone from that time who WAS good intentioned would have meant that as a compliment.
Not having the pleasure of knowing you, I have to ask, Is it possible that you misunderstood the statements? Perhaps you are more articulate than your average Joe of any color? I'm sure the context likely made it clear, but you never know.Honestly I dont think that I am more articulate than the average person. When I was younger I spent alot of time reading and paying attention to how words were actually pronounced but that was a result of watching a lot of movies as well. I'm a fairly decent public speaker but one of the first things I learned when doing public speaking is to speak in a "language" that your audience understands and can relate to.
Thing is, I'm not oblivious to an obvious compliment. Most of the time I'm able to tell when someone is giving me an honest one. I'm talking about the other folk who seem like theyre really surprised that words like THAT came out of the mouth of a face that looks like mine. At first you just kinda brush it off, then after a while it really gets old.
Actually, having thought back to my own youth it's not so hard to believe, I had many experiences where people were surprised that a long haired ripped jeans and leather jacket wearing hoodlum was actually well read and had a vocabulary. I'm sure that it was much worse for you.
Yeah, agreed. I just wanted to be clear on how people could find that offensive. I got tired of hearing "oh but you're soooo articulate" or "you're so we'll spoken" or any variation there of for 25+ years.A big +1 here. I actually had to explain the Justice League episode gaff to a friend of mine. Cracked me up even as it pissed me off.Which JL episode gaff? Was it the one where they visit the "Justice Guild of America" and the streak turns to John Stewart and tells him "youre a credit to your race" ?
I actually LIKED that. It acknowledged that they were in a different time and that someone from that time who WAS good intentioned would have meant that as a compliment.
Wow, different point of view. I didn't think Streak meant it as an insult either, but I did view it as a backhanded compliment.
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Honestly, I don't follow comics directly anymore, just on the Wikis, I follow the Titans still (both teams) and New Mutants (Magik was very much the character I sympathized with as a kid) but that's about it.
Way off topic: What spoiled me on comics
Marvel
Cap getting too preachy and then civil war/dead cap/bucky
One More Day
Iron Man, as a whole.
seXuality.
Wolverine since they started playing with the 'feral boy' version on.
The Wolverine family. Laura was ok, Dakken, not so much.
Depowering Jubilee.
Just in general frakking up Bishop!
Storm getting married. "Hey, Storm has all those relationships with different characters, we should marry her off. Why don't we create a convoluted RetCon, and have her marry the Black Panther. They barely know each other, but they're both black and from Africa!"
That's off the top of my head.
DC
Killing the Martian Manhunter
Superboy-prime punching reality
Jason Todd coming back.
Keeping Barbara Gorden paralyzed "So we can have a crippled super hero."
Batman shooting Darkseid.
Almost offing Dick Greyson in Infinate Crisis.
Infinate Crisis.
Making Jerico bugnut crazy.
About the only thing that I could be called conservative about is crime.I grew up in the 5 boros and occasionally hung out with some real thugs. It was my responsibility to make choices that kept myself out of trouble and I realized that small enclosed spaces and the prospect of ass-rape was not for me. My issue is that I'm not a big fan of the death penalty. It's not because I dont think that there are some people that need to get got, but because I have a problem with maybe putting the wrong person to death for a crime that they didn't commit. Conservatives seem to be fine with this, especially if the the individual is black or brown, there's that level of detachment. But if you're going to put a needle in someones arm, make sure that you've got the right d00d. God forbid that DNA evidence turns up or some half assed witness admits making a mistake and you've executed the wrong guy.
Have to rewind here. Concerning the death penalty. I favor the death penalty. But I am NOT fine with the wrong person being killed for a crime, and I don't give a damn what color his skin is. I mean, I could turn that back and say that liberals don't care if a guilty man walks free. I could say they would be more so inclined if the man was not-white. But I don't honestly think that's true. I do think that liberals are more inclined to think that the worst of the worst will actually change their ways. To which I say they still have to pay for what they have done.
But nobody I know is 'ok' with an innocent man being put to death for the wrong reason.
Honestly, I don't follow comics directly anymore, just on the Wikis, I follow the Titans still (both teams) and New Mutants (Magik was very much the character I sympathized with as a kid) but that's about it.
Way off topic: What spoiled me on comics
Marvel
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That said, they're taking a vote on Beast being gay? That's just madness. And I thought they referenced Karma being gay years ago and that was one of the reasons why she kinda disappeared from the team. Correct me if I'm wrong. With DC, I agree with everything you wrote save perhaps for Barbara Gordon. I like Oracle as she is.